NZCSET application for judicial review

The subject of our court case against NIWA has surfaced again with our recent filing of papers. Ken Perrott has been quick to go on the attack but so far he hasn’t a clue what we’re actually asking for.

For the record, Ken, we’re not accusing our public climate scientists of “scientific fraud” as you claim on your blog. We’re saying (and proving) they made serious mistakes in their reconstruction of the national temperature record.

WUWT has posted a great summary of the NIWA story written by one Andi Cockroft in NZ.

This is a fresh thread for an interesting court case that’s being watched around New Zealand and the world, from all sides of the climate debate.

“RENT BOY” UPDATE, 20 May

Someone’s finally told another “rob taylor” about his namesake insulting one of us at Hot Topic. He writes in high dudgeon, claims the same name, says he has worked for Greenpeace and disowns any interest in our discussion of the environment.

On the Internet, where nobody knows you’re a dog, it’s usually best to let sleeping dogs lie. Where might this lead?

It’s odd that this new rob taylor also disdains the use of capital letters, just like the rob taylor we know and love. Must be our modern mis-education system.

This is the latest rob taylor’s comment in full. It was received on May 20, 2012 at 2:10 am.

This is rob taylor from greenpeace, the only rob taylor from greenpeace and in no way have I been involved with this debate until this point until a friend informed me of this chat, which I have not the slightest bit of interest in. I have not worked at GP in NZ since I organized the March Against Mining on Queen St in 2010, and do not intend to engage in any environment debates in NZ in the foreseeable future let alone describing people I do not know in a public forum as “rent boys”. look somewhere else please lads and do not drag mine and Greenpeaces name into your discussion.

22 Thoughts on “NZCSET application for judicial review

  1. Andy on March 8, 2012 at 7:58 am said:

    Rob Taylor has now been posting contact details (address and phone number) of a certain member of NZCSC on Perrott’s blog Open Parachute.

    I am not sure of the intent.

  2. Well, Andy, you could always try reading the post Shy climate denier in “science team” reveals himself I make my interest in Manfred Otto Denekind clear there. – he has now revealed himself as the anonymous “science team” behind that slanderous “paper.”

    First time I have ever come across a “scientist” who was so ashamed of their work they wished to be anonymous!

  3. Good summary of the NIWA temperature record shenanigans at WUWT from Andi Cockroft
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/07/the-cold-kiwi-comes-home-to-roost/

    Wonder if the MSM will cover the court case and give an accurate account.

  4. Andy on March 8, 2012 at 9:06 am said:

    I did read your article Ken.
    There may be many reasons for remaining anonymous. One is to stop idiots like Rob Taylor posting your contact details on the Internet.

  5. In this case, Andy, I think the evidence points to shame. After all – contact details are simply a matter of looking up a phone book.

  6. Andy on March 8, 2012 at 9:37 am said:

    So you are OK with your attack trolls having the contact details of someone whom you regard as “anti-science”?
    Presumably, you’d also be happy if this action led to threatening and abusive behaviour?

    So, Ken, maybe you’d like to post your full mailing address and phone number right here.

    What could possibly be wrong with that? Do you have something to hide? Are you ashamed of something?

  7. No problem, Andy. Look me up in the white pages. If I wanted to remain anonymous I would not have a listed number.

    And I already get threatening and abusive comments on my blog from these anonymous “attack trolls”.

    I have never relied on anonymity in any of my writings. All my publications are acknowledged (in fact anonymous authors would not be accepted by any reputable scientific journal).

    Manfred has now admitted his authorship of that pathetic article. He must now face the consequences. For example, having to answer questions about it in the high court. Questions he refused to front up to when I asked them (via Richard).

    Andy, this “excuse’ is really pathetic. As I keep saying I have never come across any honest scientist who refused to acknowledge and stand by their work.

  8. I would be happier we don’t poke Ken with sticks, it’s what he loves. Ken’s single most important aim is to pick a fight. He does it mostly by ruffling egos and it is a waste of time responding because after you’ve shown how wrong he is he invents new ways to ruffle your feathers. If we keep strictly to the science in conversations with Ken, he’ll soon tire of it.

  9. Andy on March 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm said:

    Ok, fair deal. I’ll lay off the sticks.

  10. OK Richard – you are welcome to respond to the science in my post – but we know you always avoid that. You have refused to discuss the scientific problems of the Treadgold and Denekind (2009) “paper”.

    Thankfully that doesn’t look so good when the questions are put in the high court.

    Look forward to your scientific input on my post. Yeah, right.

  11. Anthropogenic Global Cooling on March 8, 2012 at 2:52 pm said:

    Found that tropospheric hot spot yet Ken?

  12. David on March 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm said:

    The way Rob Taylor calls Andy a “rent boy” is pretty disgraceful . Homophobic even. Is he the Rob Taylor from Greenpeace?
    I loved Richard C’s response to the mantra of 4.3 trillion tonnes of ice .. Pointing out how small a % that is was classic

  13. David on March 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm said:

    I just read Kens post. What science? It’s just one long smear .

  14. Andy on March 8, 2012 at 4:39 pm said:

    I’d very much like to know which Rob Taylor is calling me a “rent boy”.
    So any info gratefully received

  15. Mike Jowsey on March 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm said:

    NIWA article at WUWT:

    The Cold Kiwi Comes Home to Roost
    Posted on March 7, 2012 by Anthony Watts
    Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics –Kiwi Style

    By Andi Cockroft, reporting from New Zealand

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/07/the-cold-kiwi-comes-home-to-roost/

  16. David on March 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm said:

    He’s calling Andy S a “rent boy”. Look through Richard C’s link to the Hot Topic thread

  17. David on March 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm said:

    Sorry , the comments are in the link Richard C gives us to Hot Topic above

  18. Gary on March 8, 2012 at 7:24 pm said:

    Have you ever heard we live in a democracy, and we are allowed to form our own opinions.

  19. Anthropogenic Global Cooling on March 8, 2012 at 8:33 pm said:

    The blog ratings came out the other day so Ken’s probably concerned that nobody visits his ‘blog’ anymore and is trying to trick people into visiting it by baiting them. Avoid his blog like the plague.

  20. Richard C (NZ) on March 9, 2012 at 7:38 am said:

    Seen in comments at the Andi Cockroft WUWT article:-

    Rod Gill says:
    March 7, 2012 at 11:03 am

    There’s a group of people in NZ who consider NIWA, rather than meaning National Institute of Weather and Atmosphere, actually means No Idea What’s Ahead.

    ROM says:
    March 7, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I thought that “NIWA” stood for ” New zealand Institute for Weather Adjustment”.

    Commenters can be cruel at times.

  21. Ken, You just turned up on my Facebook page

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48940782/MannKen.jpg

  22. Rob Taylor on May 20, 2012 at 2:10 am said:

    This is rob taylor from greenpeace, the only rob taylor from greenpeace and in no way have I been involved with this debate until this point until a friend informed me of this chat, which I have not the slightest bit of interest in. I have not worked at GP in NZ since I organized the March Against Mining on Queen St in 2010, and do not intend to engage in any environment debates in NZ in the foreseeable future let alone describing people I do not know in a public forum as “rent boys”. look somewhere else please lads and do not drag mine and Greenpeaces name into your discussion.

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