Wind turbine failures

Here are a few pictures to begin what I hope to develop into a collection of windmill failures.

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wINdSider
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wINdSider

Nice collection of old photographs of broken turbines. Is this supposed to make me quit my job and admit wind energy is a fruitless waste of effort? Think I’ll start a blog and catalogue some nice new photographs of oil slicks, flooded towns, burnt-out cars in burnt forests, and dirty coal station chimneys. Or maybe I should go for the heart-strings and get my medico buddies to hand over pictures of infant tracheas inflamed from inhaling sulphur dioxide ‘cos they live 1km from Hazelwood. Perhaps I’ll keep my collection as abstract and pointless as this one, and just display pix of cars stuck in traffic jams. That’s sure to prove that automobiles were the wrong way to go, we should have stuck with horses and buggies. Apply the logic implied across your site, and nothing innovative will ever get done; and no-one would even try to improve things for any reason…

Andy
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Andy

Yes I agree it is a bit lopsided. I don’t suppose it was meant as a serious blog post about wind power. In order to do that, we’d have to document the pollution in China caused by the mining of the neodymium for the turbine magnets, the pollution caused by the manufacture of the large amounts of steel and concrete used in the turbine towers. We should also document the bird kill, including the many raptors such as Golden Eagles, Kite, Sea Eagles, some pushed close to extinction. We should also document the effect on human health – the sub-audible noise and shadow flicker that causes both physical and mental health issues. Perhaps we could delve into the fuel poverty issues in the UK caused by spiraling fuel prices, thanks in part to renewables subsidies. Maybe we could also deal with the waste disposal problems of the large composite blades, non-recyclable. We could deal with the accident rate in the wind industry, the risks of servicing an offshore wind turbine in the North Sea would be interesting. I am sure we could find a lot to talk about on your blog. We could… Read more »

Richard Treadgold
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wINdSider, you overreact. This is an unfinished collection of images for curiosity and to hint that wind generation is not the unmitigated triumph promulgated by its investors. I regret I didn’t more clearly make the additional point that wind turbines are promoted on the almost exclusive grounds that they reduce our carbon emissions. The fact that they also contribute in several ways to real pollution is not the thrust of my criticism. I’m against real pollution whatever causes it and I’m against the notion that we need to reduce our carbon footprint. Because pollution has multiple causes is no reason not to criticise wind turbines. However, the fact that they’re well-nigh uneconomic without subsidies is a reason to criticise them; that they don’t reduce emissions is a reason; that they have not reduced thermal generation anywhere they are implemented is a reason; that they slay birds and bats is a reason; that they are sources of visual and noise pollution is a reason. As an example of some “logic implied across [this] site”, I would ask you to address the fact that sea levels have not risen markedly this century and their rising… Read more »

De-wayne
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De-wayne

I think the ‘oil prices’ in the right hand margin explain the “logic implied across [this] site”
As for neodymium, I add that to my breakfast and there’s always a recent Dutch study….

Richard Treadgold
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The oil price widgets imply no philosophy, they’re an item of topical interest. Don’t you care about oil prices? Do you want me to remove the widgets?

wINdSider
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wINdSider

@Andy, the neodymium issue is moot, there’s way more of that stuff used in earphones, stereo speakers, sheets of glass for skyscrapers, toyota prius’s, etc., etc., than is needed for permanent magnet generators in wind turbines. And whose fault is it that mining practices in China aren’t up to scratch? Almost ditto all that for steel and concrete. Some perspective on this would be good. Many of the bird kill issues are still emanating from poor siting and bad design going back decases (Tehachapi Pass). Yes, most ‘health’ issues are of the mental variety, and everyone is still waiting for the hard proof that for some reason wind turbines are unique in that they emit some strange deleterious force that sets them apart from cars, trucks, trains, air conditioners and fridges (all sources of far more intense and close-range infrasound exposure than would be experienced by people as a result of wind turbines). Talking subsidies, here in Australia we’ve had decades of subsidies to mining and fossil fuel industries to keep their buisinesses afloat (i.e., help protect their stock values), and most new increases in power prices are a result of long-overdue grid… Read more »

Richard Treadgold
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“Thanks for having me.” Don’t go just yet. Just a couple of things… Plastic bags on head: you must know asphyxiation is caused not by carbon dioxide but by a lack of oxygen, nor is asphyxiation the reason CO2 is currently deprecated. CO2 is a necessary plant food even for marine plants and most plants evolved when CO2 levels were ten times greater than today’s. “Not many in the wind industry these days are spruiking ‘save the world’.” Well, not always directly, but the global warming motivation is ever present, and that was the only reason wind farms were even considered beside the various cheaper, more reliable and more convenient thermal systems. Without the global warming fiasco wind turbines would be comfortably reserved for far-away, small-scale generation where it belongs. If logic were used, we would be welcoming a stampede to the latest nuclear generation, free of dangerous waste and carbon emissions. This is from the NZ Wind Energy Association web site: “Wind energy plays an important, global role in addressing climate change. Wind-generated electricity is produced without emitting carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas that is the major cause of global climate change.”… Read more »

wINdSider
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wINdSider

Cheers @Richard, Yes, I understand the mechanics of asphyxiation. The plastic bag analogy is just a simple way of introducing CO2 into the equation, because oxygen, once depleted and absorbed by the human head inside the bag, is replaced by CO2; which makes CO2, in that specific moment in time, a very dangerous gas to expose oneself to, in the absence of oxygen. I agree with your sentiment that carbon reduction efforts should perhaps not be the yardstick of success while implementing cleaner energy generation options; the carbon reductions come later, once you get your energy mix right. It’s unfortunate, perhaps, but true, that it is required (at least here in Victoria, Australia) that any proposal for a clean energy generation facility must be accompanied by the climate-change-related factoids of the project: how many tonnes of CO2 avoided, how many cars off roads, how many houses powered – these seem to be the criteria that political folks need in order to feel good about approving anything that doesn’t blanket the sky with smog…. I think there are probably many things we could agree on, but I’m happy to let you continue bashing the… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

Last time I looked at the live data for the UK energy mix, it was 50% coal, 24% gas, 20% nuclear, and about 4% wind. A couple of days ago it was 0.2% wind.

This is from an installed base of 3500 turbines

Andy
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Andy

There’s wind farms in Aus that have been granted the legal right to kill endangered parrots and also the Wedge Tailed Eagle is close to extinction.

If it were an Oil company doing this, then the great unwashed would be crawling all over them, but somehow the smug arrogant wind-niks seem to find this cool.

I have yet to see a single “environmentalist” see any problem with the widespread decimation of bird life.Perhaps because they don’t actually give a stuff about the environment?

Perhaps you’d like to join this Facebook page “Campaign for the Extermination of Rare Birds (Support Wind Power)

http://www.facebook.com/groups/193864874003042/

where we are documenting all the legalised kill of rare and endangered species.

We really appreciate the work you are doing in getting rid of our pesky two-legged friends.

Richard Treadgold
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Talk about a prejudice against oil. Strange, though, when you consider that we don’t manufacture it, we get it straight from Mother Nature – or Gaia, if you prefer.

Anthropogenic Global Cooling
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Anthropogenic Global Cooling

Exactly Richard, that’s something that I’ve always puzzled over. The green movement wants us to do things naturally – oil is a product of nature and it’s natural tendency is to burn. It’s ok to farm hemp to keep us warm, drawing vital nutrients from the soil in the process, but’s not ok to burn oil which releases CO2 (plant food) to do the same thing. I don’t think the green movement really know what they stand for except the destruction of capitalism & worldwide socialism.

Richard Treadgold
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This deserves a wider airing. I feel a post coming on…

Andy
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Andy

This deserves a wider airing. I feel a post coming on…

I’ve got plenty of material on wind if you want a hand Richard

wINdSider
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wINdSider

Sorry @Andy, there has been one wind farm that was refused planning permission because of a parrot that didn’t even fly/live/breed/migrate/nest near the subject site (Orange-bellied Parrot), so no points for you there. And the Wedge-Tailed Eagle is NOT close to extinction (despite the best efforts of trigger-happy farmers for over a century), in fact is regarded as ‘Least Concern’ on the IUCN conservation status. Admittedly the Tasmanian sub-species is listed as ‘Endangered’ there, and this is obviously a cause for ‘Concern’. No-one in the wind industry, that I know of, would be pleased to know of ONE, SINGLE, bird fatality from a wind farm bird-strike. Yes, they happen, but so do motor vehicle and solid building bird strikes, by the MILLIONS, and millions, and millions. Again, let’s stop driving cars and building tall things, just in case a bird flies into it or gets squished by it. Some perspective please. Birds (like humans) will have some examples of stupid, short-sighted, deaf, and retarded individuals amongst their population. Anecdotally, I have witnessed a WTE flying happily around the rotor of an operating wind turbine. The bird knew what was there, and was (apparently)… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

So why has an Oregon wind operator applied for legal rights to kill Golden Eagles? Can you imagine the uproar if an oil company did this?

This is why I regard the environmental movement has a morally bankrupt notion.
Most of them have got financial interests in the wind “industry” anyway.

Kind of makes me want to puke really.

Andy
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Andy

On the health issues, this is discussed in the movie “Windfall” which was reviewed in the Huffington Post recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/j-michael-welton/windfall-documentary-laura-israel_b_1246824.html

Andy
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Andy

Letter to RSPB copied with permission of author —————— Mr Michael Clarke CEO, RSPB The Lodge Sandy Bedfordshire SG19 2DL February 6, 2012. Dear Sir, This is in response to you letter of 24 January 2012 which replied to mine of 9 January in which I terminated my membership of RSPB. . Firstly, I must thank you for the courtesy and length of your letter, which is in marked contrast to the very anaemic responses that usually emanate from politicians. On the subject of human induced global warming I remain convinced that there is no such thing and that we are entirely wrong to be spending enormous amounts of money chasing specters. It is a fact that earth temperature has remained stubbornly stable since 1997, despite a considerable increase in CO2 levels. What concerns me very greatly is the seeming indifference to bird and bat deaths that are being caused by wind turbines and the enormously extended power lines that are required to support them. Recent publications indicate that the level of deaths is actually alarming and should be a matter of prime concern for RSPB. You will doubtless be aware of the… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Weather-dependent supply wreaking havoc on the power grid

The problem is that these energy sources are weather-dependent and thus their sporadic supply is starting to wreak havoc on Germany’s power grid and is even now threatening to destabilize power grids all across Europe. The other problem: the power grid needed to distribute the decentrally produced green power is simply not there yet. They forgot to build it! So far, after tens of billions of euros spent on renewable energy systems and higher prices for consumers, not a single coal or gas-fired power plant has been taken offline. To the contrary, old inefficient plants have been brought back into service in an effort to stabilize the grid.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/06/germany-in-skeptical-turmoil-on-both-climate-and-windfarms/#more-56069

Andy
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Andy

You can look at live energy data from the UK grid here
http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

Wind is currently about 3% of total. Coal has been 40-50% for the last few days. The main components are coal, nuclear and CCGT (gas)

A couple of days ago, wind was at 0.1% of total in the UK.
See
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/taking-the-wind-out-of-their-sails/

Even if the UK builds 30,000 more turbines (as has been suggested), then at lulls like this, wind will generate 1% of the grids needs, assuming that we can extrapolate like this (not necessarily valid if the new turbines are offshore)
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Andy
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Andy
Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

Brilliant article Andy – thanks for the link. I especially like his summation paragraph:

R-i-g-h-t. So what you’re saying, Jonathan, is that the ONLY reason we’re carpeting some of the world’s most attractive wild countryside in horribly costly, economically inefficient, bird-liquidising, noise-polluting, view-blighting, rare-earth-metal-exploiting, property-debasing, horse-frightening, rent-seekers’ uber-horrors, is to save the odd tonne of CO2 emissions, as and when, despite the fact that the science increasingly suggests that the difference this will make to global climate will be so negligible as to be beyond measurement?

Andy
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Andy

Yes and Thomas over at Hot Topic also seemed to admit that this was his justification for these machines, after he had a fit when I gave them the raw data for wind output on that day (which dropped to 0.1% of total for the UK grid).

The thing is, in NZ it is not even going to do that, because they will offset wind against hydro.

Andy
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Andy

Vestas directors quit after losses at wind turbine firm

Offshore wind turbines In January Vestas announced more than 2,300 job cuts

The finance chief of Vestas, the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, has quit and other directors will not be seeking re-election to the board.

The upheaval came after Vestas reported a loss about four times greater than analysts had expected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16941925

Andy
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Andy

The Rape of Britain
Wind Farms and the Destruction of our Environment

Hard-hitting attack on the government’s windfarms policy, backed up by data and delivered in an engaging style.

In this hard-hitting booklet, Struan Stevenson MEP demonstrates how Britain is being raped by the current mad race for renewable energy sources, and particularly by wind power. The manic scramble is responsible for the rape of Britain.

Wind turbines violate the principle of fairness by transferring vast amounts of money from the poor to the rich. They despoil our unique landscape and environment; and through noise, the flicker-effect and vibration, they abuse the health and welfare of people and animals which have to live near them. Far from being an eco-friendly answer to our energy needs, windfarms are an environmental disaster being inflicted on Britain that we will live to regret.

http://www.epaw.org/multimedia.php?lang=en&article=book5

De-wayne
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De-wayne

@Richard

I can’t seem to find that quote from the UK Met Office. Can you give me the date of the press release?
I would also be keen to hear your explanation of how you think there has been no warming in the past 15 years when the temp anomaly has ranged from .36 °C above long-term average to .52°C and everything in between and given that Met office does say (faq section of website) “the ten warmest years on record have occurred since 1998 (as of July 2011).”

Andy
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Andy

Do we really have to explain the difference between the “warmest year on record” and no temperature increase?

All the following statements are mutually consistent (but not necessarily true)

(1) There has been no increase in global mean temperature for the last 15 years
(2) Year NNNN was the “warmest on record”
(3) The world is cooling

Think about it.

De-wayne
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De-wayne

Yeah, just did think about it and I would like it explained. My questions remain, where’s the quote referred to? Is that the view of the met office?

Andy
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Andy

The quote I saw is here
http://thegwpf.org/science-news/4902-sunday-times-why-has-it-warmed-so-much-less-than-ipcc-predicted.html
and is reproduced from an article in The Sunday Times.

I haven’t heard any complaints from the Met Office so I assume the quotes are correct.

In terms of the “warmest year” thing above, imagine yourself hiking up a mountain, reaching a plateau, and then starting to descend just off the summit.

During the period you are on the plateau. you may be at any time at the “highest point on record”, and you might also be about to descend. You may also observe that the trend of your altitude is close to zero.

I am not trying to say this is exactly what is happening to our temperature series, but hopefully it indicates how these statements are mutually consistent.

wINdSider
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wINdSider

@Andy, there have been complaints from the Met Office: “the climate scientists came out fighting, starting with a furious blog posted by the Met Office itself which attacked the Mail on Sunday article as “entirely misleading”.” This from: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/warming-data-show-shades-of-grey/story-fnb64oi6-1226264121900

Andy
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Andy

They complained about an article by David Rose in the Daily mail. This is a different article by Jonathon Leake in The Sunday Times that I am referring to

To my knowledge, there have been no complaints about that

wINdSider
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wINdSider

On CO2 as plant food and the ‘No Warming for 15 years’ red herring: 1) If CO2 is plant food (which I agree it is, among other things), what happens to all the excess CO2 now that vast tracts of previously hungry-vegetation-covered land have had the hungry plants removed? Only if we assume that the marine algaes have become a lot hungrier can we assume that the excess CO2 is not left to remain in the atmosphere. Also on this point, it must be remembered that humans input 7 times the amount of CO2 into the atmosphere than what is usually produced naturally (by volcanoes, oceans, exhaling mammals, etc.). Source for this is this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbNU7mvh_c, from about the 6:00 minute mark, the NASA dude explains that ‘nature’ inputs 1 gigaton of CO2 (from all sources) into the atmos., while human activity provides a further 7 gigatons of CO2. So, you have a non-industrialised world with lots of trees, then remove a great many of those trees as you industrialise yourselves, and concurrently ramp up the release of ‘locked-up’ CO2 to the point that it outnumbers natural CO2 provision by a *factor of… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

“Climate Change Messages”

says it all really.

Actually, Richard Betts, the author of that piece, seems like quite a good bloke. He frequently comments on Bishop Hill and seems to take the punches in good humour.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Dunno bout the CO2 thing in 1) (don’t care really) but in regard to 2) I refer you to what the UK Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology (POST) have to say in POSTNOTE 400 in an apparent acknowledgment that natural variability has dominated recently, quoting Hawkins and Sutton 2009:- “Natural forms of climate variability are likely to be the main influence on the UK’s climate over the next few decades” A “selective selection of quote” by POST puts them in the same category as those “climate change deniers” doesn’t it wINdSider? And adding a “few decades” to the last decade of climate hiatus will take the climate well outside the IPCC SRES scenarios (it’s already outside now) too so when will the fabled “climate change” kick in? And why if it isn’t now? POST’s answer is a “selective” quote from H&S09 again:- “Then, as the century progresses, the influence of increasing greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations is likely to be of growing importance” Ed Hawkins sole support for this (so far) is (citing H&S09):- “…for a few decades the signal increases faster than the uncertainty, so the signal-to-noise increases initially” Except that what… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Does this qualify as ‘Wind Turbine Failures’?

Broken Down And Rusting: Is This The Future Of Britain’s ‘Wind Rush’?

http://thegwpf.org/uk-news/5252-broken-down-and-rusting-is-this-the-future-of-britains-wind-rush.html

Andy
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Andy

The 286 turbines that will litter the Wairarapa could also be counted in

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6604879/1-6b-Wairarapa-wind-farm-gets-consent

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

SA Blackout: Three towers, six windfarms and 12 seconds to disaster
http://joannenova.com.au/2016/10/sa-blackout-three-towers-six-windfarms-and-12-seconds/

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Top Environmentalists Aghast As Germany’s ‘Energiewende’ Turns Into A Green Dystopia!

http://climatechangedispatch.com/top-environmentalists-aghast-as-germanys-energiewende-turns-into-a-green-dystopia/