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Bob Carter and John Spooner’s new book “Taxing Air” is available for purchase

Richard C (NZ)

“So much for “higher” education. James Cook University (JCU) has blackballed Professor Bob Carter, not because of any flaw in his scientific reasoning, but because he speaks outside the permitted doctrine” – Jo Nova

Dr Nickolas Drapela, PhD, was fired from Oregon State University for being an outspoken critic of the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Still, two datapoints doesn’t make a trend.


I guess all bets are are off now. Rudd has defeated Gillard and will be new Aus PM

Probably an early election on the cards.

Richard C (NZ)

I wonder if we’ll hear climate change is “the greatest moral, economic and social challenge of our time” again from Rudd.

Richard C (NZ)

Combet has resigned from Climate Change Minister

Richard C (NZ)

‘Generators pass on 115pc of carbon tax: power report’ – Financial Review

According to the report for the EUAA, which represents many big companies, gas-fired generators were able to profit the most, recovering 44 per cent more than their emissions costs.

Even brown coal generators have been able to pass through 95 per cent of the carbon tax and they will also receive $5.5 billion in compensation under the scheme, meaning they will be more profitable.


Ms Gillard nominated health reform, the carbon price, the DisabilityCare insurance scheme, the Gonski school reforms and the royal commission into child sex abuse among her proudest achievements.

The carbon price one of her proudest achievements?


Just to remind ourselves of this “proud achievement”

More highlights of Julia’s career


Climate sceptic MP Dennis Jensen wants to be science minister

Coalition MP Dennis Jensen, who is a vocal climate science sceptic, has called on Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott to appoint him as science minister.

“At the moment to be honest I’m feeling under-utilised,” said Dr Jensen, the member for Tangney in Western Australia, who has a master’s degree in physics and a PhD in material science.


Coalition scraps Climate Commission, dispensing with Tim Flannery

‘Dismayed’ Flannery says Australians have ‘a right to independent and accurate information on climate change’

Greens leader Christine Milne went further, calling prime minister Tony Abbott a “climate criminal” for dismantling bodies such as the commission and the Climate Change Authority, which sets targets on Australia’s emissions reductions.

“Shooting the messenger does not alter the fact that Australia has to do a lot better than 5% in order to contribute fairly to the global challenge of constraining global warming to two degrees,” she said.

“In the context of global warming this action is a crime against humanity. In one swoop, [Abbott] has demonstrated his contempt for climate science and for the health and wellbeing of future generations.

Richard C (NZ)

Wynarka grain grower Peter Rose:

“Up until 2000 I didn’t really know what a frost was.”

He’s lost about 80 hectares of grain. “We now seem to be getting frosts more regularly.


Some fairly tenuous links between the bush fires and climate change presented by Roger Jones

This bit caught my attention

This also relates to the so-called hiatus. This hiatus is normal, and what we’d expect from a climate that evolves in a non-linear manner.

The models do predict these steps, even if some people claim they don’t. Model data shows periods up to 20 years when there is little or no increase in warming.

Which models predict 20 years of little or no warming?

Richard C (NZ)

>”Which models predict 20 years of little or no warming?”

Most of them – randomly i.e. one model run several times will produce hiatus periods at different intervals for each run and same for all the other models.

None projected a mid-troposphere hiatus period corresponding to the current one and no more than 3 CMIP5 submissions projected the current hiatus at near-surface level (e.g. Russian Academy of Science INM-CM4 was closest).

Random hiatus projections unrelated to observations don’t make validity however.

Richard C (NZ)

[Jones] “The warming component, which is non-linear, is climate change”

Well yes in anthro forcing terms, dF = 5.35 ln(C/Co). Except that’s the problem, temperature has not been conforming to that formula. And never has except for the brief period 1980 – 2000.

A miss-attribution and a bogus formula.

But in terms of natural cyclicity, Jones is perfectly correct.

Richard C (NZ)

>”And never has except for the brief period 1980 – 2000″

Oops, wrong on reflection:

“And never has” was sufficient. Law Dome CO2 had no relation to temperature and Mauna Loa – Temp is a stretch at best. The splice is another story.

Richard C (NZ)

In my defense, I had the IPCC SPM attribution and Figure 1(a) in my head – amazing how propaganda sticks……..


Jones’ specialities include

Climate change risk assessment methods
Communication of climate science; risk perception and the science-policy interface
Technical skills in hydrology; climate scenario development; historical climate data analysis; impact modelling and uncertainty analysis

” Communication of climate science” I give E for effort

Richard C (NZ)

Also at bottom of article:

Roger Jones is currently shortlisted and seeking funding from the Bushfire and Natural Hazards Cooperative Research Centre.

“seeking funding” – no surprises, aren’t we all?

“Bushfire and Natural Hazards” – wait, what?


Irony alert

Christine Milne (Australian Greens) tweets

PM Abbott has no regard for evidence based science and prefers ideology. What is future of science in Australia?

— Christine Milne (@senatormilne) October 23, 2013


PM Abbott insulting .@cfigueres is symptomatic of his climate denial and real losers are those who will suffer from extreme fires, floods.

— Christine Milne (@senatormilne) October 23, 2013

More here

I think Tony Abbott is actually doing something about the fires in his role as a volunteer fire fighter, and doesn’t appear to be doing any grandstanding about it either, unlike these Greens

Richard C (NZ)

‘UN official ‘talking out of her hat’ on bushfires and climate change, says Tony Abbott’

Judith Ireland, Breaking News Reporter

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dismissed the comments of a senior UN official who said there was a clear link between bushfires and climate change, arguing ”fire is a part of the Australian experience”.


Mr Abbott batted away the comments on Wednesday, saying that Australia had had ”bad fires” since the beginning of European settlement.

”Well I think the official in question is talking through her hat, if I may say so,” he told Fairfax Radio.

”Climate change is real as I’ve often said and we should take strong action against it. But these fires are certainly not a function of climate change, they’re a function of life in Australia.”

In the interview with Fairfax Radio Mr Abbott also defended his decision to keep up his volunteer firefighting role.

The Prime Minister spent Saturday night with the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade on a backburning operation near Bilpin.

”I love my service with the brigade, it helps to keep me grounded, quite apart from being an important form of community service,” he said.

Read more:

Richard C (NZ)

‘Bushfires in Victoria 1851 Black Thursday’

The largest Australian bushfire in European-recorded history that burnt an area of approximately 5 million ha. which covered a quarter of Victoria.

1: Historical account of ” Black Thursday ” 1851.

The year 1850 had been one of exceptional heat and drought……………….[…]

2: Damage incurred during the four days of the bushfire.

Fires covered a quarter of what is now Victoria.
This spans approximately 5 million hectares.The areas affected include Portland, Plenty Ranges, Westernport, the Wimmera and Dandenong districts. Approximately 12 lives, one million sheep and thousands of cattle were lost.

After five weeks of hot northerly winds, on the 6th of February,1851 known as Black Thursday, probably Victoria’s most extensive bushfires, apparently started in the Plenty Ranges when two bullock drivers left some logs burning which set fire to long, drought-parched grass.

From an early hour in the morning a hot wind blew from the NNW, accompanied by 47C temperatures in Melbourne………..[…]

4: Glowing embers land on ships 20 miles out to sea.


Richard C (NZ)

Summary of Major Bush Fires in Australia Since 1851

Select an article on this page.
1: Major bushfires in Victoria.
2: Chronology of Bushfires, hectares burnt and the death toll incurred.
3: ” Black Saturday ” 7 th of February. 2009 Bushfire.
4: The most vulnerable 52 Towns identified as high bushfire risk areas.
5: Map of 52 Towns identified as high bushfire risk areas.
6: The largest bushfires in Australia.
7: Australian Bushfire Map 1997 – 2008.
8: Deaths from wildfire / bushfire disasters worldwide
9: Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission 2009 Public-Hearings
10: The causes of bushfires, an 1855 and present perspective.
11: Current Active Bushfire Map and Victorian Roads closure.

Richard C (NZ)

3: ” Black Saturday ” 7 th of February. 2009 Bushfire.

“The energy of the fires was equivalent to more than 1500 atomic bombs the size of the one used at Hiroshima,”

Richard C (NZ)

6: The largest bushfires in Australia.

The largest and most frequent fires in Australia occur in the southern winter and spring – and occur in northern Australia.
Over 98% of large bushfires occur outside the more densely populated south-east and south-west of the country.
The Northern Territory experiences fires annually on a scale which dwarfs those in southern Australia.

During the extreme year of 1974-1975
“over 117 million ha or 15% of the total land area of the continent was burnt in central Australia during the fire season.

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But you wont learn that from media reports, they only focus on “the more densely populated south-east and south-west of the country” where the human interest stories are.


I find something a bit distasteful about climate change activists using the fires as an excuse to promote their political agenda, whilst people are still in mortal danger

Richard C (NZ)

Yes and survivors too, constrained by ‘green” regulations, who have already lost their homes and possessions. The Summary page above states: “Bushfires are a natural part of ecosystem processes in Australia. However, as human settlements expand into or adjacent to bushland areas, the risk to lives and property increases.” Source: The Australian Journal of Emergency Management, Vol. 22 No. 2, May 2007 Ain’t that the truth? I’m always amazed at the proximity of houses to scrub and trees (fire fuel) but it’s the Australian way and the risk is attendant. Green anti-mitigation regulations only exacerbate the risk however. Then to blame a conflagration on climate change for political ends as it it has never happened before is very distasteful given that the regulations are a recent imposition. BTW I even find the filming of people in such distress distasteful at times (almost schadenfreude), it must be devastating. Apparently some of the volunteer firefighters lost their own homes while working in another location. These people are shocked and it makes an emotional film clip but what’s forgotten is that only an instant is shown, their loss goes on for years (like from earthquakes, tornadoes… Read more »

Mike Jowsey

Aussie PM: carbon tax is ‘socialism’

The carbon tax was basically socialism masquerading as environmentalism, and that’s why it’s going to get abolished.”

“If the Labor Party wants to give the people of Australia a Christmas present, they will vote to abolish the carbon tax. It was damaging the economy without helping the environment. It was a stupid tax. A misconceived tax,” Abbott added.

Mike Jowsey

Is any other political party in the world likely to campaign on a carbon tax? Is any government in the world not likely to start retrenching their carbon tax plans? Good on Tony Abbott for his pragmatic and grass roots attitude. Maybe even our PM will start to have quiet discussions with Nick Smith about his reduced climate budget. Time to pressure them both methinks.

The carbon tax is bad for the economy and it doesn’t do any good for the environment,” Abbott told The Washington Post.

Richard C (NZ)

97% topical in OZ at the moment:

‘Wendy Bacon’s Warmist Wonderland’

The UTS academic’s 222-page study of Australian newspapers’ treatment of climate change is far worse than silly. It is more than a bit sinister

by Tony Thomas

’97 per cent of warmists cite a 97 per cent that’s false’

by Andrew Bolt

Reader James on a deceptive meme that’s repeated by warmists with little seeming interest in the truth:

“I have submitted this to ABC Fact Checkers”

# # #

Note that one of the last acts of the Keven Rudd government was to give ABC AU$10m for “fact checking”.

Richard C (NZ)

Remember Bill at Hot Topic? bill October 25, 2013 at 12:56 pm At my workplace we are frequently plagued by a type of person who’s moved to the wooded hills, and then wants the place more-or-less nuked in order to protect them from inevitable bushfires………………… If he works in NSW he wont be “plagued” anymore: ‘Vegetation clearing rules to be eased in fire-prone parts of NSW’ Peter Hannam, Environment Editor, The Sydney Morning Herald The NSW government plans to loosen planning rules to give residents in bushfire-prone regions more freedom to clear vegetation around their homes without a permit. The new rules, to be introduced next year in the next session of Parliament, would allow homeowners in designated areas to fell trees within 10 metres of their homes and clear shrubs and other vegetation out to 50 metres on their own land without requiring planning permission. Read more: “10 metres of their homes” = 20m diameter (1256.6 m2 or 0.1 hectares) + area of the home. “….out to 50 metres on their own land” = 100m diameter on their land (up to 31,415.9 m2 or 3.1 hectares) + area of the… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

Well, that was rubbish. Correcting:

“10 metres of their homes” = 20m diameter ([314] m2 or [0.03] hectares) + area of the home.

“….out to 50 metres on their own land” = 100m diameter on their land (up to [7854] m2 or [0.7] hectares) + area of the home

So in a semi-rural cul-de-sac of 10 homes that’s potentially [0.3] hectare and [7] hectares respectively if everyone clears their land.


That’s shocking. Putting people’s lives above those of trees. Bill won’t be happy at all

Richard C (NZ)

[Jennifer Marohasy] – I was disappointed to recently reread an article written in 2011 about the Murray River entitled ‘Water under the Bridge’. While its author, Kate Jennings, was sympathetic to my work, until I reread the piece I had forgotten her disparaging comments about my AGW scepticism. She wrote: “Jennifer Marohasy is a prominent climate-change sceptic, so her work on the barrages is dismissed out of hand.”

Richard C (NZ)

‘Confusion should give alarmists pause for thought’ Written by Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun on February 12 2014. […] It’s farce like that [Ship of Fools] which helps explain why the CSIRO reported last week only 47 per cent of Australians buy its spin that the climate is changing and we’re to blame. Australians now rate global warming of “low importance”, the CSIRO sighed, and warmists faced “the challenge of finding the right language” to gee them up. But up bobs another Climate Change Research Centre scientist to show the warmists’ problem isn’t the “right language” but the false hype. Two years ago, Professor Matthew England appeared on the ABC’s Q&A to attack Nick Minchin, the former Howard government industry minister and a sceptic. Minchin had raised a puzzling fact: the planet had not warmed further since 1998. “Basically we’ve had a plateauing of temperature rise,” he said. CO2 emissions had soared, but “we haven’t had the commensurate rise in temperature that the IPCC predicted”. England’s response? “What Nick just said is actually not true. The IPCC projections from 1990 have borne out very accurately.” England later even accused sceptics of “lying that the… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

‘The crazy world of Renewable Energy Targets’

JoNova, August 18th, 2014

[…] The RET scheme in Australian pays a subsidy to wind farms and solar installations. Below, Tom Quirk shows that this is effectively a carbon tax (but a lousy one), and it shifts supply — perversely taxing brown coal at $27/ton, black coal at $40/ton and gas at up to $100/ton. Because it’s applied to renewables rather than CO2 directly, it’s effectively a higher tax rate for the non-renewable but lower CO2 emitters. […]

Renewable energy sources – Complications!

Guest post by Tom Quirk

Richard C (NZ)
Richard C (NZ)

RET Review report Renewable Energy Target Scheme Report of the Expert Panel Report of the Expert Panel – Full Report [PDF] Report of the Expert Panel – Executive Summary and Recommendations [PDF] ACIL Allen Modelling Report ACIL Allen RET Review Modelling – Full Report [PDF] ACIL Allen RET Review Modelling – Executive Summary [PDF] Report of the Expert Panel – HTML Version Executive Summary Executive Summary Key points # The objectives of the Renewable Energy Target (RET) are to: encourage the additional generation of electricity from renewable sources; reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the electricity sector; and ensure that renewable energy sources are ecologically sustainable. # The RET has encouraged significant new renewable electricity generation, which has almost doubled as a result of the scheme. Installations of small-scale systems have exceeded expectations, with output from these systems already exceeding levels anticipated for 2020. To date, the RET has delivered a modest level of emissions reductions. # With the renewables industry now established in Australia, the main rationale for the RET hinges on its capacity to contribute towards the Government’s emissions reduction target in a cost effective manner. However, the RET is a… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

‘Newspapers as the guardians of hot history’

By Jennifer Marohasy

[…] I went and checked not only the old newspapers but also the book in the national archive, because, guess what? The Bureau of Meteorology is claiming it was all a clerical error. They have scratched this record made on 3rd January 1909 from the official record for Bourke, which means it’s also scratched from the NSW and national temperature record.

Yep. It never happened. No heatwave back in 1909.

They have also wiped the heatwave of January 1896. This was probably the hottest January on record, not just for Bourke, but Australia-wide. Yet according to the rules dictated by the Bureau, if it was recorded before 1910, it doesn’t count.

‘1953 Headline: Melbourne’s weather is changing! Summers getting colder and wetter’

By Joanne Nova

Once upon a time — before the Great Politicization of Climate Science — CSIRO was able to analyze trends from 1880 to 1910. In 1953 CSIRO scientists were making a case that large parts of Australia had been hotter in the 1880s and around the turn of last century. >>>>>

See also ‘Temperature Records’ thread:

Richard C (NZ)

‘Bureau of Meteorology warms to transparency over adjusted records’

Graham Lloyd, The Australian
September 11, 2014 12:00AM [Paywall]

THE Bureau of Meteorology has been forced to publish details of all changes made to historic temperature records as part of its homogenisation process to establish the nation’s climate change trend. Publication of the reasons for all data adjustments was a key recommendation of the bureau’s independent peer review panel which approved the bureau’s ACORN SAT methodology.

‘Scientists should know better: the truth was out there’

Graham Lloyd, The Australian
September 11, 2014 12:00AM [Paywall]

IT reflects poorly on key members of Australia’s climate science establishment that tribal loyalty is more important than genuine inquiry. Openness not ad hominem histrionics was always the answer for lingering concerns about what happened to some of the nation’s temperature records under the Bureau of Meteorology’s process of homogenisation.

Richard C (NZ)

Ted O’Brien. February 22, 2015 at 7:14 am · Reply This was all recorded in Australia a century ago. SAID HANRAHAN “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan, In accents most forlorn, Outside the church, ere Mass began, One frosty Sunday morn. The congregation stood about, Coat-collars to the ears, And talked of stock, and crops, and drought, As it had done for years. “It’s lookin’ crook,” said Daniel Croke; “Bedad, it’s cruke, me lad, For never since the banks went broke Has seasons been so bad.” “It’s dry, all right,” said young O’Neil, With which astute remark He squatted down upon his heel And chewed a piece of bark. And so around the chorus ran “It’s keepin’ dry, no doubt.” “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan, “Before the year is out. “The crops are done; ye’ll have your work To save one bag of grain; From here way out to Back-o’-Bourke They’re singin’ out for rain. “They’re singin’ out for rain,” he said, “And all the tanks are dry.” The congregation scratched its head, And gazed around the sky. “There won’t be grass, in any case, Enough to feed an ass; There’s not… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

‘Climate science to be gutted as CSIRO swings jobs axe’ – SMH

“Climate will be all gone, basically,” one senior scientist said before the announcement.

In the email sent out to staff on Thursday morning, CSIRO’s chief executive Larry Marshall indicated that, since climate change had been established, further work in the area would be a reduced priority.

“Our climate models are among the best in the world and our measurements honed those models to prove global climate change,” he said.

“That question has been answered, and the new question is what do we do about it, and how can we find solutions for the climate we will be living with?”

Richard C (NZ)

‘Tasmania’s Energy Scandal’

The Marcus Review 16 March 20163 April 2016

Tasmania has provided yet another example of what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum for too long. This time, it has run out of electricity to the point of needing 200 temporary diesel generators – at a start up cost of $44 million, plus operating costs of $22 million per month.

As you’ll soon see, these costs are merely the steam emanating from the hot pile of dung shoveled up in this scandal – whose key players include a greedy government owned hydroelectric operator, an inept State government and Australia’s most socialistic Prime Minister in history.


Richard C (NZ)

SA Blackout: Three towers, six windfarms and 12 seconds to disaster