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Who is Tony Cox? You may well ask.

Anthony Cox is a lawyer and secretary of The Climate Sceptics.

He has degrees in law and climatology and is a regular contributor to science blogs and the media.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/anthony-cox-39612.html

Get that?

“degrees in law and climatology”

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Alice Springs: coldest day on record

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Sydney shivers through coldest September in five years

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Monster cold snap hits state of Tasmania

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Tasmania Cold – Google Search

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Record looms, and shivers it’s cold in Adelaide

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Adelaide Cold – Google Search

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Murray-Darling Basin getting drier: study

Program director Dr David Post said these changes were linked to large-scale atmospheric circulation patterns.

They indicated a shift in the overall climate of south-eastern Australia, similar to what has been experienced in south-west Western Australia since the 1970s, Dr Post said.

“The research indicates that these changes can be linked to global warming, making it a likely contributor to the recent drought,” he said.

The next three years of research will look at the extent to which the changes can be attributed to climate change, improve projections of the impacts on water resources and improve seasonal forecasting of climate and streamflow.

The research was carried out by the CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology with financial support from the Murray-Darling Basin Authority, Victorian Department of Sustainability and Environment, Commonwealth Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, and the Managing Climate Variability Program.

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Yes, I saw that story yesterday but am doubtful without seeing the full paper of the reasoning behind the statement “The research indicates that these changes can be linked to global warming, making it a likely contributor to the recent drought” The CSIRO BOM recently published a report entitled State of the Climate which is criticised here: http://www.quadrant.org.au/files/2010/Clearing%20the%20Air%20text.pdf for example: Global Warming The claim by the CSIRO of greater than 90 percent certainty that man-made carbon dioxide threatens to increase global temperatures to dangerous levels is derived from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports and is not supported by statistical analysis. Moreover, it is not supported by any analysis in the CSIRO/BOM paper which provides only a graph showing an increase in carbon dioxide emissions. Without supporting analysis the statement has no value for development of policy. In a recent article in „The Wall Street Journal‟, R. S. Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, stated “It is sometimes claimed that the IPCC is 90 percent confident of this claim (that most of the warming of the past 50 years or so is due to man‟s emissions) but there is… Read more »

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“it is therefore likely that the climate baseline is shifting due to the global warming.”

Good Grief!

They seem to be oblivious (possibly intentionally – got to keep the Climate Change Gravy Train Express chuffing along) to mid 2000’s points-of-inflexion in almost all global metrics.

I wonder how long before the penny drops that we are entering a cool phase (see Don J. Easterbrook) in the Earths natural cycle.

As for the conclusion.

Similar can be said for NZ and the rest of the world (although it has been pointed out a couple of times in obscure parts of the blogosphere).

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And they could do worse than take a peek at UNISYS; Current Sea Surface Temperature Anomaly Plot

When La Nina pushes all that warm water West, guess what?

Rain!

We in NZ even saw a TVNZ clip “Lake in a desert” (surprize!).

Doesn’t CSIRO-BOM get OZ news in OZ?

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Ha! I’ve heard from Dr J Marohasy – she’s busy today and will do something tomorrow

Here’s her bio by the way http://jennifermarohasy.com/

Dr Marohasy is a biologist, Adjunct Research Fellow in the Centre for Plant and Water Science at CQ University, columnist for The Land newspaper (Rural Press), founding member of the Australian Environment Foundation and past Chair. She has a PhD from the University of Queensland and has worked for the Queensland sugar industry, the Melbourne-based Institute of Public Affairs and as an entomologist for the Queensland Department of Lands where she was instrumental in the successful biological control of the North Queensland weed, rubbervine (Cryptostegia grandiflora) following six years of field work in Africa.

Dr Marohasy is concerned that public policy on environmental issues is increasingly driven by moral crusading, rather than objective science or need.

Jennifer Marohasy is sceptical of the consensus position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) and gives informative talks on climate change, agricultural and environmental topics.

So some cred there

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Here’s Dr Marohasy’s take: (produced in less than 5 hours from the time I asked her:) On Thursday the New South Wales Government officially declared the nine-year drought ended. The very next day the CSIRO released a report warning that the ‘current drought’ appears to be at least partly linked to ‘climate change’. The CSIRO report entitled ‘Climate variability and change in south-eastern Australia’ is an initiative of the South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative, SEACI, lead by CSIRO with input from the Bureau of Meteorology and the Murray-Darling Basin Authority. The report forecasts a future decline in rainfall and works from the assumption there is already long term decline. The first diagram, Figure 1, however, only shows historical rainfall data for the period 1997 to 2009 excluding the last very wet ten months. The first graph, Figure 2, shows inflows, not rainfall, across the Murray Darling Basin without explaining that many variables impact inflows that have nothing to do with rainfall including changes in land management, salt interception and drainage schemes etcetera. A scientific report of this kind might have begun with a discussion of the complete historical rainfall record and avoided confusing… Read more »

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A very astute analysis.

“many variables impact inflows that have nothing to do with rainfall”

‘Be careful not to confuse rainfall with runoff.’ and “runoff is [sic – as?] calculated by climate modelling’

Have raised “coefficient of runoff” previously, in regard to SSL.

“At the global scale, according to AGW theory, an increase in carbon dioxide should lead to an increase in water vapour concentrations and therefore more cloud. But there is some empirical evidence to suggest that water vapour feedback is in fact negative, not positive.”

See “CLOUDS in CLIMATE MODELS”

“Considering the forecasts for the late 21st Century, apparently more than half the models predict an increase in rainfall over Australia, and the rest predict a decrease. The most extreme decrease is from the CSIRO IPCC model which suggests that average rainfall over Australia 100 years from now will be 100mm per year less.”

Obviously a warm bias in the CSIRO model that (I’m guessing) uses IPCC RF methodology (ACO2 major climate driver).

I will be putting up links and info re the CSIRO model under “CLIMATE MODELS” eventually, but at the moment NIWA’s Supercomputer and its UKMO UM Climate Model takes precedence.

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Another puzzle (to me) is reported at WUWT http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/15/bom-disappears-rainfall-data-no-trend-becomes-downtrend/
which relates to an article in Quadrant Online by Tom Quirk (quoting)
In the last two years some 900 mm of rainfall have been removed from the rainfall record of the Murray-Darling Basin. This startling discovery was made by comparing the annual Murray-Darling Basin rainfall reported on the Bureau of Meteorology website in August 2008 and the same report found yesterday.

Anthony went to some trouble to run graphs to illustrate the difference between the ‘before removal’ data and the post removal data and his conclusion ‘I notice the peaks post 1950 seem to be reduced, but the lows are not’

Fig 1 in the CSIRO/BOM report shows historical rainfall data for the period 1997 to 2009; is there some difference to the historical data – I don’t know

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Good point Val – I’d forgotten about that.

The beauty of this forum is that we can bring together the various components of the “puzzle” – I love it, like a kid in a candy store.

From WUWT:

“The Bureau is already on record adjusting Australian temperature measurements and they now appear to have turned to rainfall, making the last 60 years drier than previously reported.”

Another astute observation.

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And here’s Warwick Hughes take on the CSIRO/BOM report dated May 2010
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=678&cpage=1#comment-25103
Warwick’s comment is no 7 on that page

Warwick’s credentials are impressive and I have mentioned them before on this site so just search for his name without quotes in the search room

anyway from what each of Warwick Hughes and Dr Marohasy say I would have serious reservations about the contents of the BOM/CSIRO report linked above

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What a bizarre chain of events. Thanks for the Warwick Hughes link Val – very enlightening. I like this bit “Anyway – the May 2010 “South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative” is a mish mash of the usual doomster predictions by the assorted collection of taxpayer funded Greenhousers – who in this case have all fallen spectacularly on their faces as there has been notable useful rains from the time the report was issued and the MDB runs from top to Murray-mouth. Any half-critical media would laugh at them – trotting out this failed report. We can be sure that whenever the “expensive water lobby” – Wentworth Group – CSIRO – BoM – and assorted other members of the broad climate change cabal – want to get their views in the MSM – then the ever faithful GreenMSM obediently makes space and any critical faculties are suspended.” Warwick’s analysis of “the issue of runoff/inflows and the unreliability of constructing long term time series of river data modeling so beloved by the “expensive water lobby”” is comprehensive too. The participation of BoM in this “Initiative” provides no comfort leading up to the release of the… Read more »

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Particularly as NIWA denies there is an official or formal NZTR; it would be interesting exactly what BOM has been asked to audit (in NIWA’s words)

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Another matter of concern to me in the CSIRO BOM report is the reliance upon modelling particularly for past run off and for future weather and run off predictions Niche Modelling has a nice article upon the deficiancies of computer modelling http://landshape.org/enm/climate-model-abuse/ referring to a review by Roger Pielke Sr of a paper showing the abuse of models (quoting from the article which has a link to the paper) In the opinion of the editor Kundzewicz (who has served prominently on the IPCC), climate models were only designed to provide a broad assessment of the response of the global climate system to greenhouse gas (GHG) forcings, and to serve as the basis for devising a set of GHG emissions policies. They were not designed for regional adaptation studies. To expect more from these models is simply unrealistic, at least for direct application to regional water management problems. The Anagnostopoulos et al conclusions negate the value of spending so much money on regional climate predictions decades into the future, for example on the South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative and the Queensland Climate Change Centre of Excellence. ” It’s relevant to this topic because of… Read more »

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Thank you Val – I’ve been searching all over for that link.

Climate model abuse
– Niche Modelling.

Roger Pielke Sr. reviews another very important new paper showing the abuse of models.

“To expect more from these models is simply unrealistic, at least for direct application to regional water management problems. The Anagnostopoulos et al conclusions negate the value of spending so much money on regional climate predictions decades into the future, for example on the South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative and the Queensland Climate Change Centre of Excellence. ” – Niche Modelling

I note that although “South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative” does not seem to be a bona-fide scientific paper, this (possibly) related paper “Key findings from the Indian Ocean Climate Initiative and their impact on policy development in Australia” has 21 citations and “Enhanced greenhouse climate change and its potential effect on selected fauna of south-eastern Australia: A trend analysis” has 98! (also possibly related).

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“Climate variability and change in south-eastern Australia” is merely a report also but Google Scholar brings up a paper “A discussion on aspects of the seasonality of the rainfall decline in South-Eastern Australia”, Timbal – CAWCR Research Letters, 2010. No citations to date.

It’s part of this series:

Evaluation of low latitude cloud properties in ACCESS and HadGEM AMIP simulations, C. Franklin and M. Dix

Real-time seasonal SST predictions for the Great Barrier Reef during the summer of 2009/2010, C. Spillman, D. Hudson and O. Alves

A discussion on aspects of the seasonality of the rainfall decline in South-Eastern Australia, B. Timbal

Evaluation of ACCESS-A Clouds and Convection using Near Real-Time CloudSat-CALIPSO Observations, A. Protat, L. Rikus, S. Young, J. Le Marshall, P. May, and M. Whimpey

Available here – [PDF] from psu.edu

So just like the NZTR, there’s a lot riding on these reports and papers (that are based on what?) and BoM is in the thick of it.

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Also in “Real Science”

The Key Ingredient Of Climate Legislation

In order to get climate legislation passed, it is essential to exaggerate or fabricate crises. A good example is Australia, which is widely reported by the MSM to be in an historic drought due to global warming.

The Australian BOM shows about 3% of the country in drought over the last three years. Meaning that 97% of the country is not having a drought.

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We better keep this in mind: CAWCR Research Letters Issue 4, July 2010 P.A. Sandery, T. Leeuwenburg, G. Wang, A.J. Hollis, K.A. Day (editors) Copyright and Disclaimer © 2010 CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology. To the extent permitted by law, all rights are reserved and no part of this publication covered by copyright may be reproduced or copied in any form or by any means except with the written permission of CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology. CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology advise that the information contained in this publication comprises general statements based on scientific research. The reader is advised and needs to be aware that such information may be incomplete or unable to be used in any specific situation. No reliance or actions must therefore be made on that information without seeking prior expert professional, scientific and technical advice. To the extent permitted by law, CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology (including each of its employees and consultants) excludes all liability to any person for any consequences, including but not limited to all losses, damages, costs, expenses and any other compensation, arising directly or indirectly from using this publication… Read more »

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Thanks Richard; another problem though less so in my view in respect to the CSIRO/BOM report in respect to past rainfall is measurement of precipitation see WUWT Errors in global precipitation measurement
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

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Yes, the specific link is

Errors in global precipitation measurement

I’ll put a thread header in “Economics” for this.

Go to “Economics”: “Errors in global precipitation measurement – Economic Impacts”

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“Beware of false phrophets in a scientific guise” – The Australian

THE angst in Murray-Darling Basin communities about proposed water regime changes belies Australian farmers’ record in adopting research.

Economic discussion here

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First carbon victim is the truth – smh

“Cutting through the climate change rhetoric has been Elaine Prior, the senior environment, social and governance analyst at Citigroup.

Last week, in the wake of a Greenpeace report on lending to the coal industry in Australia (covered previously here), Prior and her colleagues tried to quantify the exposure of our big four banks if a price on carbon were to wipe out the value of their loans to coal-fired power stations.

This is not far-fetched. The banks are definitely worried – especially in the Latrobe Valley of Victoria, where the first plant shutdowns are expected.

Bank shareholders are worried too. ”Investors, including super funds, have expressed concern about bank exposures to coal-fired power,” Prior says, ”more than about the banks’ internal carbon footprint.””

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As one drought ends, hope dries up in west

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“The only consensus on climate change is to chose the wrong policy” – The Australian

Geoff Carmody, October 25, 2010

THOSE advocating policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are pestered to reveal their views on the effects of human activities on climate change.

Well, I don’t know for sure. I’m just an economist. I’m told the science is subject to uncertainty. I start by assuming there might be a man-made problem. Given that assumption, what is the most cost-effective way to respond? That’s a question we economists can examine.

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I’m not a fan of the precautionary factor which Penny Wong in her later days in the last Govt used to advocate

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I wouldn’t be either if I was an Aussie, Val.

Especially given this brain-dead approach:

“I’m just an economist. I’m told the science is subject to uncertainty. I start by assuming there might be a man-made problem”.

Unfortunately for us Kiwis, we are already subject to the “precautionary factor” due to a similar approach but another important “factor” in the equation is NZ’s European trading markets.

I don’t detect a similar driving force in the Australian debate – unless I’m missing something.

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yes, you’re missing something Richard but it’s not in the headlights at the moment; the current battle is the CSIRO/BOM debate; the RET and the Govt’s Climate Change committee

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An interesting piece at Jo Nova’s this morning on temperature record shenanigans in WA

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The Sydney Morning Herald

Climate INDEX

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smh is really cranking out some drivel in the lead up to COP16 Cancun

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change

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By 2020, power bills will shock

# Keith Orchison
# From: The Australian
# October 26, 2010

If the carbon price process that Julia Gillard has initiated delivers the thumbs-up for a scheme targeting electricity generation as a start to decarbonising Australia, the bad news for users is that they should expect their bills to rise by another 25 per cent this decade, in addition to other increases.

Once the carbon tiger’s tail is grasped, there is no letting go.

If, for example, there is a global agreement on a post-Kyoto treaty and Australia’s abatement target has to be put up to 15 per cent below 2000 levels (a step offered by Kevin Rudd and requiring abatement in 2020 to reach about 250 million tonnes a year), industry analysts expect a carbon price of about $50 a tonne to be needed, helping, along with network charges and other factors, to push end-user bills towards treble what they were in 2008 when the cost surge really got going.

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Victoria facing electricity crisis, says opposition * From: The Australian * November 03, 2010 11:30AM POWER cuts and brownouts will hit Victorians because of government red tape, the shadow energy spokesman Michael O’Brien has warned. And he has placed the blame for soaring energy costs – power bills have risen by about 20 per cent in Victoria in the last year – squarely on the shoulders of the Brumby Labor government. But energy minister Peter Batchelor has dismissed the warning and defended his government’s record. Mr Batchelor, who is retiring at this election, said power prices for Victorias were some of the lowest in the country and attacked the federal Liberals and Greens for walking away from putting a price on carbon. In a radio debate on 3AW this morning, Mr O’Brien said there was a “very real risk that Victorians are going to see brownouts’’. Power bills had risen by 55 per cent in the nearly three and a half years since John Brumby took over as premier, he said. “We are going to see problems, particularly on those really hot summer days we have seen disruptions to supply and we need… Read more »

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NSW power prices will rise again

# From: The Daily Telegraph
# December 21, 2010

HOUSEHOLDS face even higher power prices from January 1 as electricity retailers recover the $360 million cost of the federal renewable energy scheme.

About 370,000 AGL electricity customers will be the first hit.

From next week a 3.8 per cent increase in charges will push up customers’ annual bills by $54.

It’s the first case of a NSW provider jacking up charges to recoup the cost of buying small-scale technology certificates, or STCs, which the Federal Government is introducing to help fund a shift towards green energy.

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Power blame game heats up

* From: The Australian
* October 28, 2010 12:00AM

THE states face pressure to wind back schemes that pay households to generate electricity using rooftop solar panels.

This comes after NSW slashed its scheme in the wake of a surge in installations that threatened to add $2.5 billion to power costs by 2016.

Premier Kristina Keneally attributed the blowout in the scheme to the “windfall” gains participants experienced as a flood of cheap imports from China and Spain caused the cost of solar panels to halve since last year.

The unanticipated uptake has sent the cost of the scheme – recouped by electricity retailers from all customers – skyrocketing from an estimated $1.5bn over the six-year life of the scheme to about $4bn.

Ms Keneally was unwilling to say how much the scheme had pushed up the cost of power for the average household, but said the figure would be between $80 and $130 a year if the scheme were not pared back.

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Solar rate cut to stop costs going through the roof

Brian Robins and Ben Cubby, October 28, 2010 – smh

The state government has reined in its popular solar panel scheme, saying it would otherwise have cost a crippling $4 billion, or more than twice the original estimates.

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Same topic from smh:

Power price to rise unless carbon price is set soon

October 30, 2010

THE federal government has been warned electricity prices will rise further unless power generators get a clear carbon price by 2012, and that Australia’s greenhouse gas reduction targets are already ”difficult to achieve”.

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Solar power plan without a carbon price is too good to be true November 9, 2010 – smh When Julia Gillard and Hillary Clinton announced they wanted to ”make solar power competitive with conventional power sources” within five years, they left out one important detail. Their goal was based on solar being competitive with coal-fired power after a carbon price had been imposed. When you think about it this is obvious – if solar power could provide electricity as cheaply as coal-fired power without putting a cost on the emissions from coal, then we wouldn’t need to impose that cost. The problem would be solved. We could forget the whole carbon price thing, because the only reason to have one is to give a leg-up to more expensive, low-emission sources of power. Advertisement: Story continues below But according to the executive director of the Australian Solar Institute, Mark Twidell – who will be managing the $50 million the federal government has stumped up for the initiative – cost-competitive solar without a carbon price sounds too good to be true because it is too good to be true. ”Solar is getting cheaper but the… Read more »

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Gillard and Clinton don’t know what they’re talking about It makes me furious when people who have no idea what they’re talking about and sheep follow them Peter Lang on the other hand is a retired geologist and engineer with 40 years experience on a wide range of energy products throughout the world, including managing energy R & D and providing policy advice for government and opposition. His experience includes coal, oil, gas, hydro, geothermal, nuclear power plants, nuclear waste disposal, and a wide range of energy and end use management projects. start with this site; http://co2insanity.com/2010/05/08/solar-power-realities/ here’s the abstract and link to the paper This paper provides a simple analysis of the capital cost of solar power and energy storage sufficient to meet the demand of Australia’s National Electricity Market. It also considers some of the environmental effects. It puts the figures in perspective by looking at the limit position, the paper highlights the very high costs imposed by mandating and subsidising solar power. The minimum power output, not the peak or average, is the main factor governing solar power’s economic viability. The capital cost would be 20 times more than nuclear… Read more »

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Val, thanks for this – some interesting issues arise here. I’ll put the 2 blogs (co2 insanity and BraveNewClimate) under “Climate” “Science Blogs”. Solar is not an issue in NZ that I can see but obviously is in OZ. The article links to a website BraveNewClimate that carries this post “Who crippled the Murray Darling Basin?” http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/10/18/who-crippled-the-murray-darling-basin/#more-3359 The issues that do arise that are common to NZ and OZ (and the rest of the planet) are:- * Water use and water quality This is becoming THE issue in NZ and has been big in OZ for some time, but guess who’s seen the potential in the crisis aspect – the UN. This is a big issue for NZ’s biggest earner – dairying. * Deforestation The impacts of deforestation just have not been given the prominence they deserve due to the “climate change” fixation. There’s all sorts of problems in NZ because of this – hill country erosion and harbour sedimentation just for starters. I agree with Greenpeace to a degree on this also (I’m a closet greenie) although not Greenpeace NZ – they haven’t got a clue. * Hydrological models – Stochastic/Hydrological vs… Read more »

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Fascinating Richard; I’ll keep an eye on your and Andy’s progress

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Water plan will cost a tsunami

* From: The Australian
* November 12, 2010 12:00AM

THE Murray-Darling Basin policy has so far lacked any rational economic foundations.

Start with the facts. Far from destroying irrigation communities, the commonwealth is spending $4.4 billion in so-called water-saving initiatives that will fund irrigation upgrades. That spending is remarkably inefficient. Estimates suggest the benefits, in terms of additional water available, amount to barely $1bn: so that of every dollar of expenditure spent, more than 75c is pure waste.

Since 1992, more than $20bn has been allocated for the Murray-Darling. Even in the crowded field that is Australian public policy, rarely has so much been spent to achieve so little. No wonder, for the policy has lacked any rational economic foundation. Until that changes, expect a trickle of benefits from a tsunami of costs.

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This is what Warwick Hughes says about the MDB These are some essential points I have made re the ACT that mostly apply to the MDB too. [1] Trends derived from the time series of historic inflow numbers so beloved by ACTEW and the doomsters and proponents of expensive water, the Wentworth Group etc – are nowhere near as credible as trends from long term rainfall data. [2] Stream gaging was not common a century ago. Stream gaging was much more widespread post the 1940’s than pre 1940’s and equipment costs mean the networks are more sparse than rain data networks. [3] Stream gaging has been carried out by a multiplicity of methods and techniques and can involve quite expensive equipment to be installed in remote areas – whereas measuring rainfall has always been relatively simple and cheap. [4] The Queanbeyan rain history shows with crystal clarity that the last decade has NOT been exceptionally dry compared to the 1930’s-40’s and 1890’s thru to WWI. [5] It also must be noted that there are NO reliable long term rain data from high up the vital Cotter catchment – so we are stuck with… Read more »

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Yes, big difference between working with rainfall data and run-off (inflow) data. I once assisted a Hydrologist stream gauging a hydro power catchment in the middle of the Kaingaroa Forest – ever tried to find a small white stake in an overgrown ditch in a working forest? When all the MDB assumptions and formulations are then hidden in a model (an inappropriate one for hydrology) and the policy makers are given this in the SEACI summary:- “…..there is considerable uncertainty in the future climate projections, and the modelled changes in long-term mean annual streamflow in the southern MDB and Victoria range from -30 per cent to +10 per cent for a 0.9 °C global warming (2030 relative to 1990). The fact that the projected streamflow (and rainfall) reductions for 2030 across the region are smaller than the observed declines over the last decade raises important issues about how best to use the climate change projections – in particular, how to characterise the ‘baseline’ climate (in light of natural decadal variability in climate) to which the future projections should be applied………” Then a 25c benefit for every $1 spent is not surprising and may… Read more »

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Greens accuse gas industry of hiding real effect of carbon emissions

Tim Lester National Bureau Chief, October 27, 2010 – smh

The Greens have accused Australia’s gas industry of ‘cooking the books’ to hide a huge carbon emissions problem.

WA Greens Senator Scott Ludlam says a new analysis of publicly available industry figures, reveals “a massive expansion in Australian greenhouse gas emissions within six years if all proposed new LNG projects go ahead.”

The claims have opened up a war of words with the gas industry. It has hit back, accusing the Greens of “in essence declaring their support for coal to continue to dominate electricity generation.”

According to Senator Ludlam “the companies behind these gas projects claim that gas is a clean energy, but they don’t talk about the massive emissions that are caused when gas from high-CO2 gas fields is processed and that CO2 is stripped out and vented to the atmosphere.”

The Greens claim one joint venture alone, James Price Point hub, near Broome, will emit 32 million tonnes a year of greenhouse gases – equal to five per cent of Australia’s current greenhouse gas emissions, or all of New Zealand’s total annual greenhouse gas emissions.

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Nice article by John McLean in Quadrant Online https://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/10/glaciergate
John is a member of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition and the article is about IPCC procedures

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I’ve put this comment on Jo Nova’s blog but it’s (I hope) worth repeating here: Did anyone see the article in the Australian Climate change sceptics lose battle as onus of proof shifts http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/climate-change-sceptics-lose-battle-as-onus-of-proof-shifts/story-e6frg97x-1225941959223 It’s about the precautionary principle which I anticipate Julia Gillard will start to talk about shortly; As the article says ‘The principle appears in Article 3 of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change 1992. It is one of the four principles of ecologically sustainable development. Those principles have been absorbed into Australian environmental law at commonwealth and state levels since 1991.’ “the precautionary principle operates to shift the evidentiary burden of proof as to whether there is a threat of serious or irreversible environmental damage,” “Where there is a reasonably certain threat of serious or irreversible damage, the precautionary principle is not needed and is not evoked . . . “But where the threat is uncertain, past practice had been to defer taking preventative measures because of that uncertainty.’ This has been changed by the absorption into Australian law of the precautionary principle which “… operates, when activated, to create an assumption that the threat is not uncertain… Read more »

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Senator Penny Wong’s mantra “the science is certain” was unnecessary — the effect of the precautionary principle is that the science supporting the theory does not have to be certain, but the case against the theory does.

This is leading us down a very dark and disturbing path.

Thanks for posting, Val

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Andy astute words; the substantive issue still remains whether or not there is a threat of serious or irreversible environmental damage
I do recall a speech of Wong (in Queensland I think) in which she spoke of the precautionary principle and one of our national newspapers (The Australian) recently ran an editorial espousing it in connection with carbon pricing

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Andy a commenter on Jo Nova’s site has referred me to the comments at Climate Realists as well:

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6514&linkbox=true&position=5

This is Bulldust’s comment:
I like the first comment by Stephen Wilde:

It is also uncertain as to what damage will be caused by the application of policy decisions based on the precautionary principle.

“Therefore the precautionary principle must be applied to itself and such damage regarded as certain.

Thus the burden of proof is reversed back again and the precautionary principle is negated.

Some people just don’t know enough basic logic to think things through.

A simple illustration:

The environmental damage and faster resource depletion from an unwise pursuit of solar and wind energy systems at the current levels of inefficiency will cause more environmental damage than the emissions that they seek to reduce.”

I have always hated the enormous arrogance that comes along with those that spout the Precautionary Principle. It is loaded with the pretense that the spoutee is in the right and it is up to you to prove otherwise. It is a lazy approach to debating and has no place whatsoever in science. It is the last resort of the ignorant.’

That’s certainly something to take into account

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I stumbled on this on a thread at JoNova while looking for something else:

JaniePo:
August 24th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

Beware the Precautionary Principle!!

http://www.sirc.org/articles/beware.html comment 61

Bulldust gas a bit to say too.

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“This is leading us down a very dark and disturbing path.’

Andy, in the same vein, I put this in “Controversy”

Futuristic climate schemes to get U.N. hearing

By Alister Doyle, OSLO | Wed Oct 27, 2010

(Reuters) – Futuristic schemes for slowing climate change such as dimming sunlight are fraught with risks but will get a serious hearing from the U.N. panel of climate scientists, a leader of the panel said on Wednesday.

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The Sydney Morning Herald is running a poll about showing An Inconvenient Truth in Australian schools.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/mps-divided-on-educational-value-of-an-inconvenient-truth-20101027-17326.html

All vote NO now!!!

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Is there a remote possibility that the film could be constructively used to teach critical thinking?

The article says:

“It is not a required text but will be used by English teachers to “analyse the way language and emotion can be used to convince viewers of a particular position”, the spokesman said.

Students may also be directed to undertake their own research on the film’s claims, he said.

If the second part is undertaken, I think it is a good thing and a Yes vote.

Big “if” though.

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Too big Richard

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It is not a required text but will be used by English teachers to “analyse the way language and emotion can be used to convince viewers of a particular position”

Isn’t that the definition of propaganda?

Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

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Your key words are “remote possibility”. The majority of teachers, underpaid and overworked, will let the video do the talking. Some discussion, maybe an essay as homework…. Without explaining that this video has been found, in a court of law, to misrepresent at least nine pivotal matters in the argument. Without explaining that this is a political piece which exaggerates and warps the science to its own ends. Do you think the majority of teachers, much less their students, have the bandwidth to dig into each claim this video makes and decide for themselves whether the claims actually stack up? Surely the students and teachers will take it as gospel, as do/did many civic leaders and policy makers. This is why I exhort all to vote NO. I am damn sure I would not want my child or grandchild being spoon-fed this propaganda as part of the standard curriculum.

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This might be the last time i play devils advocate.

I agree that the propaganda avenue will not be pursued by teachers.

A pity though that there is not study of it in history classes or somewhere. I’ve lost track of modern curricula so I don’t know what gets laid out, but it is evident in USA and Europe that the lessons of the past have not been carried into the present.

I studied Obama’s campaign, inauguration and Berlin speeches written by an expert in the field – Jon Favreau. Those speeches, delivered by a charismatic person, mesmerized both USA and Germany until the substance was found to be lacking by the Americans. The Germans still seem smitten true to trait – no lessons learned there.

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I find it hard to imagine any university impartially studying propaganda these days.
Our educational institutions have become so inundated with Gramsci-esque teachings, particularly in the humanities, that distorting facts to suit your agenda is now officially accepted as “revisionism”.

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Melanie Phillips – “The world turned upside down” is worth a read in this regard.

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Yes I must admit (with abject embarrassment) that I was sucked in by the man’s rhetoric and oration. Particularly in the fallout from George Dubbwa’s pathetic show. It appears that Mister Obama is simply another puppet with a better stage presence. And, of course, the race card.

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“a better stage presence” and a teleprompter. Watch the videos of his un-teleprompted speeches with the sound turned off – not quite the same impact, but his neck gets a workout.

Understandable, your falling under the spell; after the WMD-oil forays, everyone wanted a change – but I do miss Bushisms.

NZ’s National campaign had very little policy to back it, but after a long Clark reign, all Key’s guy’s had to do was sow the “Change” seed into the minds of the electorate and hey presto. It worked for Obama.and it worked for Key, but the development of crowd manipulation techniques goes way back.

I have given up listening to or reading political speeches and PR spin doctoring except as case studies in communication rather than for any substance there might be. Better to look behind the facades to find the real stories and to keep our BS detectors in good working order in case we are inadvertently subjected to those dark arts.

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Tim Blair in the Australian Telegraph has some interesting (and amusing) suggestions on how studying Mr Gore’s movie could be put to good use in schools:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-inconvenient-truths-about-al-gores-hot-air-footprint/story-e6frezz0-1225944858524

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The main piece on the film is even better:

Read all comments for a good overview of what Aussies think about “Climate Change”.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/climate-change-film-for-schools/comments-e6freuzr-1225943893760

Here’s a random sample of the comments:

It’s already been proven to be the Incorrect Truth… I thought we were looking at education not propaganda and indoctrination.

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Inconvenient nonsense infiltrates the classroom * Bob Carter * From: The Australian * November 11, 2010 12:00AM AL Gore’s flawed climate change film is to be included in the new English curriculum. [Snip] In a famous judgment in October 2007, Justice Burton, discerning that Gore was on a “crusade”, commented that “the claimant substantially won this case”, and ruled that the science in the film had been used “to make a political statement and to support a political program” and that the film contained nine fundamental errors of fact out of the 35 listed by Dimmock’s scientific advisers. Justice Burton required that these errors be summarised in new guidance notes for screenings. In effect, the High Court judgment typed Gore and his supporters as evangelistic proselytisers for an environmental cause. Fast forward to this month and many Australian parents have been surprised to learn Gore’s film “will be incorporated in the [new] national [English] curriculum ), as part of a bid to teach students on environmental sustainability across all subjects”. It is, I suppose, some relief the film has not been recommended for inclusion in the science syllabus. Instead, Banquo’s ghost has risen… Read more »

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Andy – the Daily Mash is a site I frequent when I need absolute satire. Thanks for the link mate – much appreciated!

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Ho hum here we go again – I’ve put this comment on Jo Nova’s blog but it’s relevant here as well: The Qld Govt has tabled this report today: http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/pdf/climate-change-in-queensland-2010.pdf It’s 100 pages but for scientists like Warwick and some of his readers it would make interesting reading this from page 8: Climate Change 2009 (Steffen 2009) reviewed the science of climate change since the publication of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, Climate Change 2007 (AR4) (IPCC 2007a–c). Steffen suggests that the AR4 was conservative in its range of projections and that many aspects of the climate system are changing at the upper level of the IPCC range of projections—towards more rapid and severe climate change with dangerous impacts. The Science of Climate Change: Questions and Answers published in August 2010 by the Australian Academy of Sciences outlines changes in Australian climate including: • an increase of about 0.7 °C in average surface temperature since 1960, with some areas having warmed faster and others showing little evidence of warming • an increase in the frequency of extremely hot days • a decrease in the frequency of cold days… Read more »

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Jo Nova did a post on this attribution:

The Science of Climate Change: Questions
and Answers published in August 2010 by the
Australian Academy of Sciences

Here
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/head-of-australian-science-academy-issues-decree-from-pagan-chieftans-of-science/

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Yes, I do recall that; Ken Stewart had something to say about the BOM/CSIRO report in March 2010 which preceded that at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/27/the-australian-temperature-record-the-big-picture/
cutting and pasting selectively

Claims made in the State of the Climate report produced by BOM and CSIRO in March 2010.

Since 1960 the mean temperature in Australia has increased by about 0.7 °C . The long term trend in temperature is clear…

TRUE. But the raw data shows the mean temperature since 1910 has increased only 0.6 C.

Australian average temperatures are projected to rise by 0.6 to 1.5 ºC by 2030.

REALLY? That would require between 5 and 12 times the rate of warming seen in the raw temperature record, or between 3 and 7.5 times that shown by BOM’s published figures.

Much of Australia will be drier in coming decades

MAYBE NOT. See http://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/political-science-101/

Our observations clearly demonstrate that climate change is real.

TRUE- that’s what climate does.

CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology will continue to provide observations and research so that Australia’s responses are underpinned by science of the highest quality.

“Highest quality”? REALLY?

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Ken Stewart’s latest post (about sea rises) since the BOM/CSIRO report http://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2010/10/30/checking-the-logic-queensland-sea-level-rise/ By the way, in today’s Weekend Australian, there are quotes from the official briefing from the Department of Climate Change and Energy. One of the quotes is: “The rate of global warming over the past 50 years of approximately 0.13 degrees Celsius per decade is about 100 times faster than the warming after an ice age.” Have a look at the graph above and compare the rates of warming. 1960 -2010: 0.13 C per decade or 0.65 C over 50 years (as you can see it’s actually less- 0.6 C over 60 years!); 1860-1875: about 0.2 C over 15 years- much faster! Again, 1910 – 1940: about 0.4 C over 30 years is the same as the rate claimed for the last 50 years. There have been two additional phases of global warming equal or greater than the recent phase. It seems you can’t trust anyone these days. Then on page 18 the Queensland report links this to sea level rise: “Sea level rise is caused by increases in ocean thermal expansion and ocean mass due to increasing global temperatures. Water… Read more »

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This is the report to which Ken refers so far as I’m aware:
http://www.csiro.au/files/files/py5t.pdf

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val majkus says: November 1, 2010 at 1:11 pm Here’s another scheme stupid enough to earn the epithet ‘rubbish’ http://www.scu.edu.au/news/media.php?item_id=1641&action=show_item&type=M Southern Cross University is set to lead a project testing the world’s first Personal Carbon Trading program conducted in a ‘closed system’ island environment on Norfolk Island commencing early next year. This follows the announcement this week of a Linkage Projects grant by the Australian Research Council valued at $390,000. Leading chief investigator Professor Garry Egger, a Professor of Lifestyle Medicine and Applied Health Promotion at Southern Cross University, said the main goals of the project were to test the effectiveness of a Personal Carbon Trading scheme over a three year period; reduce per capita carbon emissions and reduce obesity and obesity related behaviours … The principal researchers of the Norfolk island Carbon/Health Evaluation study trialling a Personal carbon Trading program are: leading chief investigator, Professor Garry Egger, a Professor of Lifestyle Medicine and Applied Health Promotion at Southern Cross University; chief investigator, Professor Boyd Swinburn, Alfred Deakin Professor and director of the World Health Organisation Collaborating Centre for Obesity Prevention at Deakin University; chief investigator, Professor Robyn McDermott is a public health… Read more »

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Here’s Malcolm Roberts (the NZCSC know him; there’s a copy of his ‘Thriving with Humanity’ on their website
anyway the video is taken on Climate Fools Day in Brisbane and Malcolm’s Take on that

Thank you to the many people in Brisbane’s King George Square last Wednesday pausing on their way through during lunch. Your expressions of support and encouragement are appreciated.

3 minute video summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qf9fTEp-8Q

Interviews confirm growing community realisation that attempts to ‘control’ Nature’s CO2 are forcing regulations onto every aspect of our lives. ALP-Greens coalition is ramming huge needless cost burdens onto everyone.

People know Nature’s carbon and CO2 are integral to every aspect of our lives. At stake are our economic livelihood, security and personal freedom.

People know fraudulent Julia and Bob cannot control huge galactic, solar and terrestrial forces driving climate.

They know cowardly Liberals are afraid to face truth: science has been corrupted and sacrificed to political control.

Thank you to the many people who readily agreed to an interview. While timid pollies fail, citizens are waking up—and opening up.

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More from Malcolm Roberts
Friends:

Britons are waking to climate fraud.

Commemorating International Climate Fools Day, British parliamentarians invited climate sceptics to address them in parliament house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24aEw7f1Xuc

Court action is exposing the lack of evidence:
– Al Gore’s falsities and corruption were exposed in the British High Court in 2007;
– Reportedly, in facing a court challenge by kiwi climate sceptics, the New Zealand government has denied responsibility for its temperature records that are now known to have been unscientifically corrupted.

In her reply to my request for evidence, our own CSIRO’s Chief Executive, Dr Megan Clark, failed to provide any evidence showing a causal relationship between human CO2 and the modest, cyclic global warming that ended around 1998.

As legal analyst, John O’Sullivan said in the video: “When challenged, the government agencies cannot produce the records.”

This lack of evidence is global.

Visit http://www.conscious.com.au to see why we know for certain that there is no scientific real-world evidence for the government-Greens coalition’s fraudulent policies.

Malcolm Roberts
BE (Hons), MBA (Chicago)
Fellow AICD, MAIM, MAusIMM, MAME (USA), MIMM (UK), Fellow ASQ (USA, Aust)

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Bob Ward’s reputation in Australia.

An interesting read, via Bishop Hill


The Grantham Institute should take a close look at their Director of Communications, Bob Ward. In the last few weeks in Australia he has been complicit in so many untruths that it should have a flow-on consequence for them in their dealings with the media.

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2010/11/2/bobs-reputation-in-oz.html

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Here’s Professor Carter’s website http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/new_page_1.htm
You’ll find lots of interesting material there
My favourite is Global warming: Is the science settled?
In it he says:
The great danger of the current public
hysteria over speculative human-caused
global waming is that, wilfully disguised
as a “climate change” problem, warming
alarmism has removed attention and funding
from the real problem that requires a policy
solution. That problem is natural climate
change and events, and it is long since time
that we addressed it better.

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here’s a funny piece, sorry it’s so long http://papundits.wordpress.com/author/tonyoz/ HILLARY AND JULIA PROPOSE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE SUN SHINE AT NIGHT That may seem a little facetious, but in effect, it is what they are both proposing. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently had a short 4 day visit to Australia. Everybody in creation was falling over each other to be seen with her, most especially former Prime Minister, and now Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd. Clinton appeared at numerous gatherings including a special ‘Town Hall’ event organised by the Australian National broadcaster, ABCTV, shown at this link, and this link also has further links shown under the small image of her at mid screen. This event was broadcast on the Sunday afternoon, and Clinton answered a variety of questions from audience members on many subjects. One of the special announcements she made was with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and directly concerned renewable power, in this case Solar Power, and I would specifically like to comment on that. The ABC media article on that piece is at this link, and a further article is at this link. What this effectively… Read more »

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A link to an article by John O’Sullivan and myself
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-retreat-from-global-warming-data-by.html
New Retreat from Global Warming Data by Australian Gov Bureau
Global warmers in full retreat as Aussie experts admit growing doubts about their own methods as new study shows one third of temperatures not reliable.

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) admits it was wrong about urban heating effects as a professional statistical analysis by Andrew Barnham exposes a BOM claim that “since 1960 the mean temperature in Australia has increased by about 0.7 °C”; the BOM assertion has no empirical scientific basis.

The article features the excellent work of Ken Stewart and Andrew Barnham

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Less carbon, more hot air

November 13, 2010

How clean and green is media land. While Aussie newsagents are now promoting carbon-neutral Kyoto-brand diaries (65 per cent recycled paper) for 2011, Aunty ABC has come down hard on its wayward light bulbs. ”To reduce the ABC’s greenhouse emissions and its impact on the environment,” says Aunty’s annual report, ”[we have been] converting T8 fluorescent tubes to more energy-efficient T5 fluorescent lights at the Lancely Place site in New South Wales.”

It certainly sounds a climate-changing move, but there is so much more. Aunty has installed carpet mounted on recycled plastic bottles and has harvested 122 kilolitres of water at offices in Sale, Bendigo, Longreach and the Gold Coast. This clean green rainwater has been used exclusively for, er, clean green toilet flushing.

What else?

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Flawed science and still a tax on carbon Dr Dennis Jensen, Liberal Party Federal member for Tangney. 22 November 2010 The Gillard Government’s climate change committee is still investigating the best way to slug Australians with a new carbon tax, a climate change solution based on flawed IPCC scientific process. Labor’s sudden panic over climate change is driven mostly by IPCC assessment reports that have now been corrected to better reflect this peak bodies understanding of the science of climate change. Either the Labor government won’t back down on a ‘price on carbon’ to appease the Greens or they simply have not read the evolving literature. The carbon tax stance is now outdated. The Government’s climate change sales pitch and carefully worded slogans mean the Australian public now sees the IPCC as a group of scientists independently evaluating the best available information before informing the world of a way forward. This is far from reality. Independent Scientists have identified flaws in the computer models that form the basis for the IPCC’s 2007 global warming predictions. The IPCC‘s own authors are now changing their minds on the carbon price approach. IPCC vice chairman, Professor… Read more »

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Labor censors Dr Dennis Jensen — denies peer reviewed science

Dr JENSEN (Tangney) (12:33): Speech to Parliament

Madam Deputy Speaker Burke, I seek leave to table these peer reviewed science reports.

Leave not granted.

Jensen is the only PhD scientist in the Australian Parliament and the papers are directly relevant to the policy under discussion.

Dennis Jensen has been warning us about climate science for years, his earlier warnings have turned out to be prescient, and ahead of his time — speaking out when few dared too. He deserves credit for his honesty and insight. Parliament could use more people like him.

>>>>>>>>

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/09/labor-censors-dennis-jensen-denies-peer-reviewed-science/#more-17301

John Boscawen, Don Brash et al, let’s see if NZ National denies the science.

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Professor Bob Carter has an article in Quadrant Online today http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/11/bob-carter Gillard’s climate U-turn Early in the recent election campaign, Julia Gillard was reported as saying that there would be no tax on carbon (dioxide) while she led the federal government. Instead, she said, ”What we will do is we will tackle the challenge of climate change”, which turned out to mean the appointment of an assembly of 150 citizens to advise on the ways and means – a suggestion that prompted immediate public derision. Just before voters went to the polls Ms Gillard again stated categorically: “I rule out a carbon tax”. Of course, that statement was rapidly rescinded after the election of a hung parliament created the political imperative that Labor court the Green and independent members who now held the balance of power. Making a dramatic U-turn, Ms Gillard rapidly segued to a new policy position. This involved scrapping the idea of a citizen’s assembly and erecting in its place a new Multi-party Committee on Climate Change (MCCC) to advise on policy options, which now again were to include of necessity (hat tip to the Greens) a carbon dioxide tax.… Read more »

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Solar Panel subsidies: A billion dollars to provide cheap electricity to wealthy households There is no sunnier first world country than Australia. If solar was going to be a raging success anywhere, surely it would be in the land of the Sunburnt Country. Instead the Australian government has poured in more than a billion dollars to install solar panels on the roof tops of private homes. Its a text book case of misdirected spending. In the end the government drew money from the population-at-large to help Chinese solar panel manufacturers, and to provide cheap electricity to 107,000 households in mostly medium-high wealth areas. It reduced Australias emissions by a piddling 0.015 per cent, at an exorbitant carbon price of $300/ton. Solar power is clearly not viable yet. So that billion dollars could have been spent on research to make solar power economic (in which case no subsidies would be needed). It could have made us world leaders with a product to patent and sell (or it might not). Instead governments of both major parties chose to pour a billion dollars into a program that never had any chance of helping the environment, or… Read more »

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Intense La Nina pattern delivers more rain than usual # From: The Australian # December 04, 2010 The most powerful incarnation of La Nina in more than three decades has produced one of Australia’s wettest years. The World Meteorological Organisation yesterday released data that showed the global average temperature this year was 0.55C warmer than pre-1990 averages — making it the third-hottest in recorded history. However, Australia bucked the trend because of weather events in the Pacific Ocean. A powerful La Nina, characterised by a fall in surface temperatures in the Pacific Ocean and heavy rains, has been blamed for the flooding that has plagued the eastern states since August. The rain has also been attributed to cool weather, with inland Australia one of the few places in the world to record below-average temperatures this year. David Jones, the head of the Bureau of Meteorology’s climate analysis office, said the rains were expected to continue through to autumn, on the basis that La Nina events usually lasted for a year. “Australia at the moment is tracking its third-wettest year on record and there’s still another month to go, so we won’t exactly know… Read more »

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Quadrant Online has a couple of interesting articles:
Sceptics losing clarity
by Peter Smith

and reply by Professor Carter linked at the foot of that article; read them both at
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/12/sceptics-losing-clarity

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Val, I’m more and more convinced by articles like this that the key to communication is simple graphics – not words. The IPCC use them, Al Gore uses them. We really are missing key metrics in the media that clearly show the state of play in ocean and atmosphere. Written argument is fine for those (like Lawyers used to case reading – I’ve done a bit of that and my eyesight has not been the same since) with time and inclination to digest it but there’s so much on the internet I’ve given up. Bob Carters response is a 1363 word essay which is commendable but how much influence will it have? A lot of words can be replaced by the almost real-time metrics we have at our disposal; OHC, HadCRUT3, SST anomaly, AMSU etc which are revealing the disconnect between fossil fuel emissions and climate on a daily basis. I’ve found on Hot Topic that presenting these metrics will soon attract enough “Dislikes” to hide them from view (and that’s just links) so they must be effective if they are so inconvenient. There’s enduring memory and understanding of a clear graphic that… Read more »

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Case in point

Climate change: In the balance

While many people believe in climate change, others are unconvinced. An exhibition at the Science Museum reflects this ambivalence, says Nick Duerden

Monday, 6 December 2010

The Science Museum has just unveiled its new gallery, which is to be called, in unexplained lowercase, atmosphere. It is a low-lit neon blue, whisperingly atmospheric space that aims, says the introductory blurb, to deepen visitors’ understanding of one of the hottest topics of our age: climate science.

The “science” bit is pertinent. Where once we would talk, quite happily and with unswerving, if second-hand, conviction, about climate change, we now have to walk with more trepidation. Climate change is not quite so fundamentally black and white anymore, if only because so many people have come along to doubt and pour scorn on it. In the summer, the Science Museum, increasingly aware of this mounting mood swing, even felt it necessary to revise the contents of its exhibits in order to fully acknowledge the wave of scepticism that that has engulfed the issue in recent months.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/climate-change-in-the-balance-2151991.html

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Flooding disaster across east Australia 8:00 AM Friday Dec 10, 2010 – NZH SYDNEY – Four deaths have been reported in severe flooding which has hit the eastern states of Australia this week. The latest victim was in Queensland. Police have recovered the body of a 15-year-old boy who drowned at a flooded water hole on the Sunshine Coast. Yesterday a man’s body was retrieved from a river at Nebo, west of Mackay. Witnesses said the impatient driver passed other cars stopped on the roadside waiting for the floodwaters to subside. An 81-year-old man also died when his ute was swept off a flooded causeway and into a creek on Friday night. And a 55-year-old woman died when her car was swept off a flooded roadway near Dysart, north-west of Rockhampton in central Queensland, last week. Reports are calling NSW’s floods the worst inundation to hit the state in 50 years. The swollen Queanbeyan River yesterday peaked in the NSW city neighbouring Canberra but residents forced to evacuate were not expected to be allowed home until late last night at the earliest. If there is more rain they could be stranded for even… Read more »

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We should never let these guys take Australia’s chequebook when they go overseas: and where do they think we’re going to get the money from; borrow it from China? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/australia-offers-indonesia-climate-change-aid/story-fn3dxity-1225968805023 AUSTRALIA announced climate change assistance for Indonesia as it urged UN-led talks in Mexico to move beyond process disputes and make progress. Australia today said it was allocating $45 million for Indonesia, largely to help the neighbouring country set up measures for efforts to save forests – a major way to offset industrial pollution. The funding is part of a $599 million package Australia earlier announced as part of “fast-track” funding – the climate assistance which wealthy nations have pledged to offer developing countries immediately. “Australia is delivering on fast-start,” Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said in an address to the meeting of more than 190 countries at the Mexican beach resort of Cancun. “Too often we allow ourselves to be distracted by process issues and by negotiating tactics,” he said. Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. .End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. “It is time now to refocus on the major task at hand. It is imperative for… Read more »

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/australia-backs-binding-climate-treaty-but-says-it-must-be-flexible-in-seeking-outcome/story-e6frg6xf-1225968781608 In his official address to the UN conference, Mr Combet said Australia too would be affected by increases in temperatures. “We will have less water and will experience an increase in the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events,” he said. “These disrupt our communities and compromise infrastructure – just as they do for others. “That is why Australia is committed to a durable, legally-binding and environmentally-effective outcome. Such an outcome must include mitigation contributions by all major economies.” Mr Combet, who co-chairs a UN panel to investigate how funding for poor states could work, said Australia had come to Cancun determined to play its part in securing a successful climate change outcome. “Australia accepts the climate science. Like my Sudanese and African colleagues who spoke before me, and my South East Asian and Pacific colleagues, we understand the effects of climate change on water, weather, and food production and how challenging this can be.” The minister recommitted Australia’s pledge under the Copnhagen accord last year to a 5 per cent reduction on 2000 carbon emissions levels by 2020. If other countries accepted a binding target, Australia is willing to push its… Read more »

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“less water”

Combet’s synapses have stopped firing – must be dehydrated at Cancun.

His cognitive faculties should return once he gets some water back in OZ – there’s certainly plenty of it at the moment.

At least Combet (and Smith NZ) are cutting the UN out of the loop (or have I got that wrong).

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Snowy Hydro tops up floods with environmental flow

Posted by jennifer, December 11th, 2010 – under Uncategorized.
Tags: Floods, Murray River

Because of a formal agreement between NSW Office of Water and Snowy Hydro, involving an obligation to South Australia, approximately 500,000 megalitres, equivalent to one Sydney Harbour of water, must be released as soon as possible as environmental flow into the already flooded Murrumbidgee and Murray Rivers. Read more at Quadrant Online.

Bureaucratic flood damage?
by Jennifer Marohasy

December 11, 2010

Inconceivable but true:
Snowy Hydro tops up floods with environmental flow

While residents of Wagga Wagga scrambled to save their belongings from rising flood waters there was a rumour circulating that the crisis was exacerbated by bureaucratic incompetence, in particular that Snowy Hydro was releasing environmental flow water into the already flooded Murrumbidgee River.

I was angry at even the concept. It was inconceivable. I phoned Snowy Hydro early on December 10 to set the record straight.

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What struck me was the patience Dr Morahassy displayed to get her answer: … (from the article) But alas, Ms Urquhart was unable to answer my questions. She did, however, promise to try and find out and emailed me back with a message from her “water delivery manager” that the information I was after could be found in the operating licence between Snowy Hydro and the NSW Office of Water on the NSW Office of Water website. Well I went there to have a look, but where to start? The licence has a package of agreements, licences and other regulations and the current licence as at May 1, 2010, is only 102 pages long. I started to read, but it was not easy going and the more I read, the more I doubted that I would recognise the answer even if I stumbled across it, because the document makes so many references to part three of schedule three then part four of schedule four, and in case of shortfall, in case of excess, in case of base passing flow, in this water year versus next dependent on how much water might be in… Read more »

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Alarmism rears its ugly head in the Sydney Morning Herald ——————————————————————————————————————– Rising sea levels will swamp parts of Sydney Tom Arup ENVIRONMENT CORRESPONDENT – smh December 16, 2010 A NUMBER of Sydney suburbs will be inundated regularly because of climate change-driven sea-level rises, threatening homes and community infrastructure worth billion of dollars by the end of the century, new projections show. In the first detailed attempt to study the impacts of sea-level rises on low-lying coastal areas and help local government planning, the government has released high-resolution maps that show the areas in Sydney and the central coast most under threat from sea-level rises. Sydney suburbs facing significant danger of inundation, even with limited rises, include Caringbah, Kurnell, Cromer and Manly Vale. Significant parts of Newcastle and the central coast are also potentially in harm’s way. Advertisement: Story continues below And the problems associated with rising sea levels are not limited to coastal areas. Flooding could occur along the Parramatta River, threatening homes and infrastructure around Homebush Bay, Newington and Silverwater. Along the Cooks River, Arncliffe and Marrickville could suffer, with the threat of significant inundation at Sydney Airport, too The maps show… Read more »

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Where climate and conservation collide December 13, 2010 – smh If ever a case signalled the end of easy answers to our search for clean energy, it’s that of the wedgie. We have had a complex relationship with the wedge-tailed eagle. Last century it was nearly annihilated as a sheep killer. This writer remembers driving along a ghastly fence line hung for a kilometre with wedgie carcasses after a local shoot in Victoria’s western district. Today such prejudices have largely disappeared. Respect for the country’s great raptor instead approaches the historic norm. Eagles have stood for us as symbols of strength and power from the days of the Ancient Greeks. Still the wedgie gets run over on our roads, and flies into things that share its aerial domain — such as wind turbines. As we search for means to sharply cut carbon emissions from energy production, increasingly we are turning to wind farms. In Victoria alone there is the prospect of 1322 new turbines and their towers being built in 28 separate developments. Another 376 would slice the breeze at three farms planned for Tasmania. And the country’s single largest wind farm, under… Read more »

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The Australian prints a game-changer? I’ve snipped the first part due to the following comment, but the last part is encouraging and refreshing. I wonder if Asten made a concession to the consensus at the start in order to have the rest published ——————————————————————————————————————– JohnM Posted at 7:21 AM Today On reading the first few paragraphs I thought this was going to be yet another pro-alarmist statement but was pleasantly surprised to find that it went on to raise some highly relevant points that for too long have been obscured by hype and eco-politics. Again it’s geologists and geophysicists who contribute rational and sober comment to a debate that’s so often driven by wild assertions from alarmists. —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— The comments are well worth a read, e.g. John Nicol of Brisbane Posted at 10:26 AM Today This is one of the finest articles written in recent times on the topic of climate change. The carefully stated discussion on the matter of an appropriate “economic” approach to possible climate change and the rational considerations of the best means to achieve open scientific debate provide a well balanced presentation of the type which must form the… Read more »

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Meanwhile – in the Sydney Morning Herald “Climate Change” section

Rising sea a billion-dollar threat

Tom Arup Melbourne suburbs will be inundated regularly because of climate-change-driven sea-level rises, threatening billions of dollars in damage to homes, new projections show.

Rising sea levels will swamp parts of Sydney

Tom Arup ENVIRONMENT CORRESPONDENT A number of Sydney suburbs will be inundated regularly because of climate change-driven sea-level rises, threatening homes and community infrastructure worth billion of dollars by the end of the century, new projections show.

South-east Asia will be hardest hit by climate change, ONA predicts

Philip Dorling and Richard Baker Australia’s top intelligence agency believes south-east Asia will be the region worst affected by climate change by 2030, with decreased water flows from the Himalayan glaciers triggering a ”cascade of economic, social and political consequences”.

Maps predict how climate will affect coast

The possible effects of climate change on low-lying coastal areas of Australia have been outlined in new maps.

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Another game-changer in The Australian? They have printed Joanne Nova’s “A REPLY to a critic of The Australian’s coverage of the debate about climate change.” “DAVID McKnight’s criticism of The Australian over climate change(“Sceptical writers skipped inconvenient truths”, Inquirer,” ———————————————————————————————————————- Newspapers should lead the country * Joanne Nova * From: The Australian * December 18, 2010 12:00AM A REPLY to a critic of The Australian’s coverage of the debate about climate change. DAVID McKnight’s criticism of The Australian over climate change (“Sceptical writers skipped inconvenient truths”, Inquirer, December 11) makes for a good case study of Australian universities’ intellectual collapse. Here’s a University of NSW senior research fellow in journalism who contradicts himself, fails by his own reasoning, does little research, breaks at least three laws of logic, and rests his entire argument on an assumption for which he provides no evidence. Most disturbingly – like a crack through the facade of Western intellectual vigour – he asserts that the role of a national newspaper is to “give leadership”. Bask for a moment in the inanity of this declaration that newspapers “are our leaders”. Last time I looked at our ballot papers, none… Read more »

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ALP flags fixed carbon price

December 18, 2010 – smh

CLIMATE Change Minister Greg Combet has sent a strong signal the federal government is considering implementing a fixed carbon price, followed by a fully fledged emissions trading scheme, to solve the political impasse.

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Cost blowout hits clean coal vision # The Australian # December 20, 2010 12:00AM AUSTRALIA’S hopes to lead the world in generating “clean” electricity from coal have taken a hammering. A massive cost blowout forced the Queensland government to scrap a prototype power plant that was to be in action by 2015. The decision to go back to the drawing board on the ZeroGen project in central Queensland means carbon capture technology to trap greenhouse gases produced from coal-fired plants will not be in use for a decade at least. While Premier Anna Bligh said yesterday the $192 million invested in ZeroGen had not been wasted, and the state and federal governments remained committed to developing clean coal processes, she admitted this was not yet economically viable. Continues……. ——————————————————————————————————————– ZeroGen decision on the money # The Australian # December 20, 2010 12:00AM BY pulling out of ZeroGen, the Queensland government has made a pragmatic decision. [Snip] According to Peter Cook, chief executive of the Co-operative Research Centre for Greenhouse Gas Technologies in Canberra, the research effort is swinging back in favour of capturing carbon emissions after the coal has been burned rather than… Read more »

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Summer snow falls at Perisher

20 Dec, 2010 10:30 AM – The Newcastle Herald

10 mm snow at Charlotte Pass Damaging winds predicted in Sydney, Hunter, Illawarra, Tablelands Christmas Day to be mostly sunny, 26 degrees

Snow is falling on the Snowy Mountains, Sydneysiders are bracing for damaging winds and much of the state’s east woke up to rain today.

It is hard to believe it’s summer in NSW, let alone Christmas.

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Combet left red-faced as new green scheme gets the axe

December 22, 2010 – smh

THE successor to the government’s disastrous Green Loans scheme has been scrapped just days before it was due to begin, throwing the jobs of thousands of people into doubt.

[Snip]

The government has also been forced to commit $30 million in compensation for the approximately 10,000 people who were trained and accredited to work as household energy auditors, as many had been relying on Green Start to provide them with continued work when Green Loans ended.

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Anna Bligh opens door to nuclear power

# The Australian
# December 24, 2010 12:00AM

ANNA Bligh has backed calls for the Labor Party to review its policy on nuclear power.

The Queensland Premier has warned that renewable sources cannot meet the surging demand for baseload electricity.

Ms Bligh and ALP national president said development of the only other viable alternative energy, hydro-electricity, had been hamstrung by resistance to new dams.

Ms Bligh said pointedly that “parts of the environment movement” had shifted on the nuclear option, and now supported it as an abatement measure for climate change.

Ms Bligh’s comments to The Australian reflect an important shift on nuclear power among Labor leaders, who now cite cost and perception issues rather than philosophical considerations as the impediment to introducing nuclear energy.

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Farmers in Australia have borne the significant financial burden of meeting Australia’s obligations under the Kyoto Protocol by the enforcement (by Tree Police) of Vegetation Control Legislation which gives us sufficient ‘carbon credits’ to meet those Kyoto ‘targets’.

This cohort are the farmers and landholders who have had the value of the holdings reduced by an estimate $10.8 Billion to meet the United Nation’s expectations.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/28/kyoto-protocol-bad-science-bad-policy/#more-30224

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Bob Carter on Carbon Tax Combet’s hot air tax: no seasonal break for the climate commissars To the degree that statements such as those made by BMO’s Dr. Sligo represent the views of the professional meteorological community, that community has now moved beyond parody and demands to be ridiculed. Can it really be the case that amidst the hurricane of Green spin about global warming, not a single bureaucrat or government politician in Canberra has retained a functioning bullshit detector? Remarkably, in enunciating their “eleven principles”, the Canberra MCCC managed to evade entirely any mention of the underpinning scientific justification for introducing a tax on carbon dioxide. That is, of course, because there is none (which is doubtless why only one, tame, scientist was included as a member of the committee in the first place). As the government will discover from its focus groups over the next few months, no matter how hard Mr. Combet tries to spin it as beneficial, they will introduce a carbon dioxide tax at their considerable electoral peril. For where global warming alarmism is concerned, the good news is that the bullshit detectors of the Australian electorate are… Read more »

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Wettest year in a decade as La Nina promises heavier falls until autumn

* From: The Australian
* January 06, 2011 12:00AM

The Bureau of Meteorology’s annual Australian climate statement released yesterday showed last year was Australia’s wettest year since 2000 and the third-wettest since records began to be kept in 1900.

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Poll Shows Vast Majority of Australians Couldn’t Give a XXXX About Global Warming.

From Hauntingthelibrary


A poll of Australians on issues they would consider at a Federal election has some bad news for the alarmists – some very bad news: nobody cares.

According to the survey, only 3% of the electorate rate “Addressing climate change” as their prime voting concern. A further 3% put it into second place, and a whopping 4% rated it as a tertiary concern (third place).

The response to “Controlling population growth” was similarly uninterested, with only 2% rating that as a primary issue. Ensuring supply of water scored 1%, perhaps unsurprisingly.

http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/poll-shows-vast-majority-of-australians-couldnt-give-a-xxxx-about-global-warming/

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NATURAL DRIVERS OF WEATHER AND CLIMATE

[Australian] Senate Select Committee on Climate Policy

Submission by Bob Foster, 8 April 2009

CONCLUSIONS
Understanding climate-change is a work-in-progress; because the science is still very far from settled.

However, Mazzarella14 makes a compelling case that it IS already sufficiently settled.

It is too early – and the likely penalty (in terms of needless human misery) for error is too grave – for policymakers and planners to yet choose between a self-contained and primarily people-driven climate, and its natural antithesis.

As the flow of satellite observations becomes a flood, the evidential support for a naturally-driven climate grows apace. The main underlying drivers of climate appear to be externally-linked in some way. Earth does not travel in an empty Universe.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/climate_ctte/submissions/sub573.pdf
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Includes anecdote of Victorian winemakers considering switching varieties in preparation for a warmer drier climate based on CSIRO/BOM projections (don’t know if they proceeded).

Also an Appendix

ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 20 – NUMBER 1 +2 – 2009
SPECIAL ISSUE: Natural drivers of weather and climate

Papers and articles but no links unfortunately

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Prof Ross Garnaut (non-scientist), seizes the day.

Expect more extreme cyclones: Garnaut

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/expect-more-extreme-cyclones-garnaut-20110203-1af7x.html

Science suggests there’s much worse to come: climate change adviser

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/science-suggests-theres-much-worse-to-come-climate-change-adviser/story-e6frg6nf-1225999813687

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Garnaut taken to task in The Australian

Garnaut’s reading of cyclone falls short on science

# Talking Point
# From: The Australian
# February 05, 2011
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The paper prints 5 selected readers comments in reply to Garnaut’s article that are well articulated and express disdain for Garnaut’s spin.

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Desal plant damaged by Victorian floods

The record floods have raised questions about whether the controversial desalination project, which has been plagued by cost blowouts, is needed at all.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/queensland-floods/desal-plant-damaged-by-victorian-floods/story-fn7iwx3v-1226001406334

Ironic or what?

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Billions blown on carbon schemes

February 15, 2011 – smh

SUCCESSIVE federal governments have spent more than $5.5 billion over the past decade on climate change programs that are delivering only small reductions in greenhouse gas emissions at unusually high costs for taxpayers and the economy.

An analysis by the Herald of government schemes designed to cut emissions by direct spending or regulatory intervention reveals they have cost an average of $168 for each tonne of carbon dioxide abated.

While some have reduced emissions cost-effectively, many of the biggest-spending schemes cost far more to reduce carbon than any mooted emissions trading scheme or carbon tax.

The worst offenders have included Labor’s rebates for rooftop solar panels, which cost $300 or more for every tonne of carbon abated, and the Howard government’s remote renewable power generation scheme, which paid up to $340 for each tonne.

By contrast, the emissions trading scheme blocked by the Coalition and the Greens in the previous parliament was expected to put a price of $20 to $25 a tonne on carbon in its early years.

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Penny Wong thinks Bob Carter is a flat-earther, and Tim Flannery gets paid $180K a year for 3 days a week.

Keep taking the blood pressure pills

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/02/penny-wong-sceptics-are-flat-earthers/

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Check out this great blog post from a young student pushing back on Global Warming propaganda.

It is inspirational.

(h/t Bishop Hill for linking to it)

http://alfredsreview.blogspot.com/2011/03/learning-impact-of-climate-change.html

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This article in The Australian goes against the grain:

Carbon tax wonder tonic proves tough sell

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For example, I’m expecting the debate over anthropogenic global warming will collapse within the course of the next decade under the weight of its own internal contradictions, to borrow a phrase that so-called scientific Marxism once used in reference to capitalism. It’s probable that quite soon the recent mild warming trend will come to be seen as par for the course and in no way a threat to the planet or mankind. The manufacture of statistical artefacts such as the hockey stick, with which a couple of ingenious climatologists hoped to erase from popular and scientific consciousness the whole medieval warm period, will come to be seen for the astonishing confidence tricks they are

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/carbon-tax-wonder-tonic-proves-tough-sell/story-e6frgd0x-1226019958503

I’ve offered an appropriate comment to both writer and editor.

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Carbon dioxide not the bad guy, says Abbott March 15, 2011 – smh THE Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, has again questioned the scientific evidence for climate change, saying he does not accept that carbon dioxide is a proven ”environmental villain” or that cutting greenhouse gas emissions is the most important environmental challenge. The Minister for Climate Change, Greg Combet, seized on the comments by Mr Abbott yesterday as ”proof” the Liberal Party’s climate policy is based on ”the extreme view that climate change doesn’t exist”. Speaking at a community forum in Perth, Mr Abbott said: ”I don’t think we can say that the science is settled here. ”There is no doubt that we should do our best to rest lightly on the planet and there is no doubt that we should do our best to emit as few waste products as possible, but, having said that, whether carbon dioxide is quite the environmental villain that some people make it out to be is not yet proven. ”We should take precautions against risks and threats, potential ones as well as actual ones, but I don’t think we should assume that the highest environmental challenge,… Read more »

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On a related note –

VOTER hostility to tackling climate change with a carbon price has jumped sharply since the federal government announced the plan, with a poll showing most people oppose putting a price on carbon emissions.

The Herald/Nielsen telephone poll, which surveyed 1400 voters last week, found 56 per cent opposed introduction of a carbon price while just 35 per cent supported such a measure.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/poll-finds-rising-opposition-to-carbon-pricing-20110314-1buls.html

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Pielke Jr on Gillard:

In the face of opinion polls showing a lack of support for her proposed carbon tax, Julia Gillard today has delivered a speech that indicates that she is willing to wager her future on this issue (The speech is here in PDF). In the speech the word “carbon” appears 36 times, also appearing 36 times are the words “jobs” and “economy.”

She makes clear that there is no going back:

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2011/03/julia-gillard-goes-all-in.html

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Green Peasants of the Pacific
Saturday, 12 March 2011, 7:01 pm
Press Release: Carbon Sense Coalition

“In the period from the base year of 1990 to 2010, New Zealand emissions have grown by 22%. This 22% growth will need to be eliminated before the Kiwis get to start the process of achieving 50% cuts from 1990 levels.

“However, New Zealand’s population has also grown since 1990, and is expected to rise from 3.5 million in 1990 to 6.2 million by 2050.

“The maths shows that the 50% cut to 1990 levels by 2050 will require Kiwis to reduce emissions per capita by 73% from 1990 levels. Will their grandkids learn to happily live on just 27% of the resources that they use now?

Read more at
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1103/S00099/green-peasants-of-the-pacific.htm

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Engineer bores a hole in dam untruths

O’Brien had suspected the unthinkable when the Brisbane River was peaking at 4.46m in the pre-dawn on Thursday, January 13. Having closely followed the dam’s operation, he suspected then that the dam had almost certainly not done its job and its releases of huge volumes of water in fact caused the major flood.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/engineer-bores-a-hole-in-dam-untruths/story-fn59niix-1226023744956

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Operator of dam ‘invented’ rain data

EXTREME rainfall so rare it happens on average once every 2000 years has been “invented” by the government operator of a major Queensland dam as part of its explanation for releasing huge volumes of water that caused most of Brisbane’s January flood.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/operator-of-dam-invented-rain-data/story-e6frg6nf-1226028379093

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A new medical term coined under the DRUM Lewandowsky article

“Climochrondriacs”

JM 29 Mar 2011 1:19:18pm

Credit to gippslander who kicked off with: Climate Hypochondria is a condition in which a person believes that the world is ill when no objective signs of illness can be observed. It has an obsessive as well as a delusional component. Sufferers from climate hypochondria, or, to use the clinical term, climate hypochondriasis, remain convinced that the world is ill despite reassurances, and often present the world to others over a long period of time as suffering from a series of different symptoms and diseases. The onset of climate hypochondria is frequently in the 30s in men and 40s in women who have only a superficial understanding of the sciences. Those in sedentary occupations are notoriously liable to it, and, whilst some scientists usually suffer only a transient bout of climate hypochondria, some remain climate hypochondriacal throughout their career. Depression and alcoholism exacerbate the condition.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45638.html

Mutual group support for sufferers can be obtained at Hot Topic.

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An essay on the current state of the climate change debate

by Don Aitkin

JC note: this essay was prepared for a recent address at given at the Manning House, in Australia.

The debate tonight is about ‘anthropogenic global warming’, and it is a debate, not a one-sided exposition. The debate exists because many people say the matter is important, and it is plainly also most contentious. To understand why our government is going down the path that it has chosen, a carbon tax, while the USA is not doing so, we need to know more than simply the local and American political contexts. What is ‘climate change’ all about? Why is there any debate at all? Why are people so divided about it?

http://judithcurry.com/2011/03/29/an-essay-on-the-current-state-of-the-climate-change-debate/

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Climate change to mean fewer cyclones and smaller waves, says CSIRO research

* EXCLUSIVE Ben Packham
* From: The Australian

CSIRO research commissioned by the federal government suggests climate change could dramatically reduce the number of tropical cyclones in the Australian region and decrease wave heights on the nation’s east coast.

The surprise findings, which appear to contradict some common predictions about the impact of climate change, are contained in scientific papers on “Projecting Future Climate and its Extremes”, obtained under Freedom of Information laws by The Australian Online.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/climate-change-to-mean-fewer-cyclones-and-smaller-waves-says-csiro-research/comments-e6frg6xf-1226033322365
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I had to do a double check that this wasn’t an April 1st joke

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Desal plant debacle for builder

April 6, 2011

AUSTRALIA’s biggest desalination plant, at Wonthaggi, is six to 12 months behind schedule, with cost over-runs and big financial penalties now threatening to deny the builder a return on the multibillion-dollar project.

The Baillieu government is expected to face pressure for an extension of project deadlines as companies involved seek to minimise financial damage from delays. The contract stipulates that the plant must be able to produce desalinated water by December this year.

The centrepiece of the former Labor government’s plan to drought-proof Melbourne, the massive project has been dogged by rain and wind………

The controversial desal project is valued at $5.7 billion in today’s dollars but is expected to cost Victorians $24 billion over 28 years in nominal terms.

Premier Ted Baillieu recently described the plant as a ”white elephant”, but said his government would not mothball it……….

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/desal-plant-debacle-for-builder-20110405-1d2z2.html

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A party of ignorant extremists

THE depth and longstanding nature of the Greens’ visceral hostility to Israel reveals something very unpleasant about the nature of the Greens themselves.

They are essentially a party of extremists. Like most extremists operating in a democratic space, they try to garner support on broadly populist issues while still servicing their extremist activist base with extremist positions and campaigns.

The language of a number of the Greens senators about Israel – rogue state, apartheid, should be boycotted – is the language of political sectarianism and prejudice.

Read more

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/a-party-of-ignorant-extremists/story-e6frgd0x-1226034965235

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Australian Labor government crisis deepens over carbon tax

The Labor government of Prime Minister Julia Gillard confronts an escalating crisis over its proposed carbon tax. Hostility among working people is increasing, as the regressive impact of the tax becomes more widely understood. At the same time, the government’s key constituency—finance capital and big business—has expressed growing reservations, while powerful sectional corporate interests, such as the mining giants, are campaigning for billions more in “compensation”.

Gillard’s carbon tax, like the emissions trading scheme advanced by her predecessor Kevin Rudd, has been promoted as a measure aimed at preventing climate change, but it will have no positive impact on the environment. ….

Read more on the World Socialist Web Site

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/apr2011/carb-a27.shtml

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In desperation, wheel out the celebs

The carbon tax is sinking faster than a Pacific island, so as a last ditched attempt to resurrect it, the Gillard government is wheeling out Cate Blanchett, talented actress and crazy environmental moonbat that she is.
[….]
The Weekend Australian understands the planned print, radio and television campaign is being supported by groups including Get Up!, Greenpeace, the Australian Conservation Foundation and the Southern Cross Climate Coalition, a conglomerate including the ACF, the Climate Institute and the Australian Council of Trade Unions

What a truly hideous motely crew that lot is. The brainless lemmings of GetUp!, the eco-Nazis of Greenpeace and ACF, the pointless Climate Institute and a bunch of union thugs. Charming. Should put even more people off with a bit of luck

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/05/in-desperation-wheel-out-the-celebs/

Andy
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Andy

IS Cory Bernardi the most conservative man in South Australia? Or perhaps Bernardi just likes a fight. Since becoming a Senator in 2006 he has made a name for himself nationally with his strident views on climate change, banning burqas, Islam in general and foul-mouthed Scottish chefs on television. He has been branded an extremist. A racist. A religious bigot. A climate-change denier. He has received death threats. He is hated by some within his own party. He has carved out a niche as South Australia’s “Mr Right” even if he shies away from the label. “I consider myself a conservative rather than right wing,” he says in his city office. It’s a claim that would be easier to swallow if the largest picture on his desk wasn’t one of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, a woman who defined a particularly fierce brand of right-wing political theory. Bernardi loves Thatcher. He has written to her, read her books and the highest compliment Bernardi pays his wife Sinead or mother Jo is to compare them to the Iron Lady. He is happy to describe himself as an “ideological warrior” but denies he is… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Cold blast has country shivering May 13, 2011 – 4:24PM The recent blast of cold air is having a wide-reaching effect, with unseasonable cold from Tasmania to the northern tropics. It has been at least 30 years since a series of cold fronts has had such an impact this early in the year, affecting almost every state and territory, Brett Dutschke, senior meteorologist at weatherzone.co.au said. It’s been more than 50 years since Sydney, Canberra and even Mount Isa have been as cold this early in the year. About sunrise yesterday, Sydney was 7.9 degrees, Canberra was minus 5.3 degrees and Mount Isa was 4.7 degrees, Mr Dutschke said. It has been at least 40 years since Tennant Creek was as cold as 9.4 degrees this early in the year. One front, which moved through south-eastern Australia on Monday was followed very swiftly by a much stronger cold front less than two days later. Together they dried and chilled the atmosphere so much that the drier, colder air penetrated well into the tropics with far-reaching southerly winds. On Wednesday, Melbourne had its coldest day this early in the year since 1970, struggling to… Read more »

Ron
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Ron

A hard-hitting editorial exposing the shambles caused by the “climate change cargo cult”.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/labor-wedged-on-climate-change/story-e6frgd0x-1226057802958

HT Andrew Bolt, who points out that the media and Paul Kelly himself were cheerleaders: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labor_chased_the_green_mirage_right_over_a_cliff_cheered_on_the_media/

Andy
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Andy

Time running out for climate action: report The Federal Government’s Climate Commission has warned the window for limiting future and costly climate change is rapidly closing. In its first report, titled The Critical Decade, the commission says the evidence that the planet is warming is now even stronger. It warns global warming could cause global sea levels to rise up to one metre by the end of the century, higher than previously thought. Chief commissioner Tim Flannery says humanity is almost surely the primary cause of global warming. “There’s agreement that there’s a temperature increase, there’s an agreement that it’s human-caused,” he said. “We have exactly eight years and seven months to meet our target of minus 5 per cent, which is a very ambitious target.” To minimise the risk, the commission says Australia must decarbonise its economy and move to clean energy sources by 2050. That means carbon emissions must peak in the next few years and then strongly decline. And while the report acknowledges the science is advancing strongly, it notes there are still questions in the public arena. “The public still seems to be confused about a few of those… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

John Cook of “Skeptical Science” fame (and frequenter on Gareth R’s “The Climate Show” gets a good workover/skewering a WattsupWiththat

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/28/the-worst-%E2%80%9Ccook%E2%80%9Dbook-interview-ever/

Andy
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Andy

Australian pro-Carbon tax propaganda

Apparently, this is “Say Yes” week..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eprah6RNab4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOiksPfF05w&NR=1

val majkus
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val majkus

Andy
new take on that ad
we want an election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1mWOlmk58&feature=player_embedded
if that link doesn’t work try this one
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2011/05/say-yes-to-election.html
I prefer this version to the other one

Andy
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Andy

FARTING DEATH CAMELS MUST DIE to save the world! Carbon plan to unleash kill-choppers against dromedaries An Adelaide-based entrepreneur has hit upon a novel method of fighting global warming: he intends to exterminate Australia’s vast population of feral camels by means of gunfire from helicopters and jeeps, so preventing the beasts from unleashing a deadly planet-wrecking miasma of greenhouse gas from their rumbling guts. The idea is that the War On Dromedaries would be paid for – and indeed, turn a profit – by selling government carbon credits issued on the basis that a dead camel cannot be emitting methane by means of belch or trouser cough. Methane is a vastly more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, so the elimination of even quite small sources of it can equate to a substantial carbon-emissions reduction. In fact, according to the calculations of Tim Moore – managing director of Oz firm Northwest Carbon – the campaign against the camels would yield substantial results indeed. He calculates that each of the feral dromedaries roaming Australia’s mostly desolate interior belches or farts out no less than 45kg of methane each year, equating to a thumping tonne of… Read more »

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

An open report to the PM of Aus from The Fair Farming Group in response to the Garnaut report.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/Open%20Report%20Prime%20Minister%2021%206%2011.pdf

In preparing this analysis The Fair Farming Group brings extensive agricultural,
commercial and scientific experience to the issues covered by the Review of the Science
of Climate Change Update 2011 submitted by Professor Ross Garnaut.

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

From the above-linked report, something new to me which may well apply to NZ temperature record:

Temperatures rose in Australia during the last century by 0.8° centigrade, however 0.5° of this increase was caused by the Great Pacific Climate Shift of 1976-77, an event identified by oceanographers as a part of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation that is recognised by the IPCC as not related to increasing atmospheric CO2. After allowing for the Great Pacific Climate Shift, the temperature increase attributed by climate modellers to rising CO2 as the primary cause, is then 0.3° centigrade for the century, not the full measured 0.8° centigrade increase.

Andy
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Andy

Mike,
I am not sure that the IPCC would recognise that only 0.3 deg can be attributed to GHG forcing, as it would contradict their position that “most of the warming of the 20th Century is likely of an anthropogenic origin”

Andy
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Andy

Greens’ plan to shut down coal industry to cost Australia 200,000 jobs, $36b a year in GDP

THE Greens’ push to shut down the coal industry could severely undermine the nation’s economy and sacrifice 200,000 jobs, new economic modelling warns.

As the party takes to Federal Parliament today with unprecedented numbers and wielding the balance of power in the Senate, fresh research finds that leader Bob Brown’s policy to phase out coal mining would slash GDP by up to $36 billion a year.

This equates to a $6 billion dent in the national Budget.

The damning report by economists from the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, commissioned by the Minerals Council, said Greens economic policies had “generally” managed to avoid close scrutiny.

Senator Brown yesterday declared the eve of the Greens’ record presence in Parliament a “green-letter day”, with the party to wield unprecedented power over the Government.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/greens-plan-to-shut-down-coal-industry-to-cost-australia-200000-jobs-36b-a-year-in-gdp/story-e6freqmx-1226086761615

Andy
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Andy

The ABC on how geothermal will save the world

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/07/06/3262933.htm

Unfortunately,, what they miss is that geothermal emits CO2, and their dear cousins NZ tax it under the ETS

Jim McK
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Jim McK

Interesting piece Andy.

The focus of their geothermal industry is a bit different from ours which is volcanic based and in the right circumstances seems to be quite profitable despite the fact that it belches a modest amount of CO2.

Theirs is in fact a hot rock technology were water is pumped deep over subterranean hot (warm actually) granite. It is probably pretty clean but also has the problem of producing low grade heat – 96C – which is notoriouly hard to make money from. The only thing that makes it viable – as with most alternate energies is subsidies – in this case carbon credits.

The fact that warm rock technology shares are now 10% of what they where in 2007 is I suspect a legitimate concern over whether the carbon credit saviour will come to pass.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Australian children are being terrified by climate change lessons

* By Bruce McDougall and Jenny Dillon
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* July 09, 2011

“(Children) feel incredibly despondent and helpless in the face of all this negative information,” she said. “To put all of this before our children … is one of the most appalling things we can do to (them).

Child psychologist Kimberley O’Brien also said the language of climate change should be “toned down”.

“(Educators) should stick to the facts,” she said.

“They should be aware that kids do have nightmares.”

Psychologist Michael Carr-Gregg called on educators to be “more circumspect and present both sides (of the climate-change debate)”.

“When you repeat things over and over to young people who don’t have the cognitive maturity and emotional maturity to process this stuff, you end up creating unnecessary anxiety,” he said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-kids-are-living-in-climate-of-fear/story-e6frfkvr-1226091097398#ixzz1RYTPDs3M

Andy
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Andy

If anyone needs to be done for “high crimes against humanity”, it is those who indoctrinate children for political gain.

Andy
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Andy

Australian children are being terrified by climate change lessons

PRIMARY school children are being terrified by lessons claiming climate change will bring “death, injury and destruction” to the world unless they take action.

On the eve of Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s carbon tax package announcement, psychologists and scientists said the lessons were alarmist, created unneeded anxiety among school children and endangered their mental health.

Climate change as a “Doomsday scenario” is being taught in classrooms across Australia.

Resource material produced by the Gillard government for primary school teachers and students states climate change will cause “devastating disasters”.

Australian National University’s Centre for the Public Awareness of Science director Dr Sue Stocklmayer said climate change had been portrayed as “Doomsday scenarios with no way out”.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-kids-are-living-in-climate-of-fear/story-e6frfkvr-1226091097398#ixzz1RepGKh6N

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

Lubos Motl announces the Czech president’s upcoming Australian tour:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/07/vaclav-klaus-in-australia-schedule.html#more

Andy
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Andy

Peer-reviewed paper from Australia shows that sea-level rise is decelerating in Australasia

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sea-level-rises-are-slowing-tidal-gauge-records-show/story-fn59niix-1226099350056

Australis
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Australis

And that paper is by the principal scientist for the NSW Government, and covers all of Australasia.

So, if local sea levels will rise by only 0.15cm by 2100, why are planning authorities re-writing all the rules for coastal development?

And why is a ‘carbon tax’ needed?

Andy
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Andy

“Why is a Carbon Tax needed?”
Good question Australis
Pielke Jr has calculated that it is mathematically impossible to deliver the emissions reductions in Australia by energy policy, hence purchase of overseas credits will be required.

This graph from the ABC confirms this:-

http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/climate-change/emission-reductions/

i.e a massive wealth transfer out of Australia, the “unlucky country”.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

125 comments when I looked and worth a scan, big issue in Port Albert. Donna of Port Albert Posted at 10:10 AM Today Whilst the debate rages about who is talking, what motives are abreast or is the science valid or not? I would like to say to all whom have commented so far on this story, where is your consideration of the human impact element? We in this town (Port Albert) have had our life savings sapped, asset values for homes and land have plummeted by close to 50% and people are watching their livelihoods disintegrate before their very eyes pushing them into despair. Wake up and give a toss about fellow Aussies caught up in this charade, the science can catch up later!!! The NZ paper “Auckland: A Case Study in the Regional Assessment of Long-Term Sea Level Change”, Hannah, Bell and Paulik 2011, cites Watson 2010 so that must be the paper in the article. http://77.243.131.160/pub/fig2011/papers/ts07i/ts07i_hannah_bell_et_al_4854.pdf The most recent analysis of the Auckland data (Watson, 2010, Cole, 2010) reveals no acceleration in the rate of sea level rise. Indeed, their analyses suggest a slight positive acceleration in the early-mid 20th… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

See “Sea level rise is normal, my friends” for Tamino’s post on Watson 2011 “How Not to Analyze Tide Gauge Data”:-

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2011/04/sea-level-rise-is-normal-my-friends/#comment-63402

This might develop into a refutation of Watson 2011 and Hannah, Bell, Paulik 2011 in regard to Australasian sea level deceleration in recent years for Fremantle at least and maybe Auckland.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Climate refugees in Australia.

Farmers claim wind turbines made them sick

Noel Dean and his family left their farm in Waubra, about 30 kilometres north of Ballarat, after experiencing constant headaches when turbines went up two kilometres away from their home.

“We’re refugees in our own country, we’re leaving here because of danger,” he told ABC TV’s Four Corners program on Monday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/farmers-claim-wind-turbines-made-them-sick-20110726-1hxsj.html#ixzz1TC5qsY7X

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/27/quote-of-the-month-nature-disses-skeptics/#comment-707221

“in australia this week, we have had visits from CAGW sceptic, Czech President Vaclav Klaus, and former British PM and CAGW believer,Tony Blair. our Prime Minister refused to meet the former, but chose to meet the latter.”

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

An absolutely brilliant article by Jo Nova, published in the Weekend Australian. http://joannenova.com.au/2011/07/climate-change-suspect-must-be-given-a-fair-trial/

Climate change suspect must be given a fair trial
GOVERNMENTS across the world have paid billions to find links between carbon dioxide and the climate, but very little to find the opposite, and that’s a problem.
Teams of professionals have searched high and low for any possible hint that CO2 poses a threat, and that is all very well, but no one has been paid to find otherwise. CO2 has been convicted without a defence lawyer.

Andy
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Andy

Eureka moment for leading climate change communicator University of Queensland alumnus Mr John Cook, the creator of SkepticalScience.com and a new appointment to UQ’s Global Change Institute (GCI), has been named as a finalist in the 2011 Australian Museum Eureka Prizes. Mr Cook, a finalist for the NSW Government Eureka Prize for Advancement of Climate Change Knowledge is Research Fellow in Climate Change Communication at the GCI. The prize is awarded to an Australian individual, group or organisation for work that motivates action to reduce the impacts of climate change. Winners in all categories will be announced on Tuesday, September 6. In his new position Mr Cook will focus on the effective communication of the science around climate change and, working with the GCI team, enhance the delivery and use of evidence-based information by business, government and the wider community. blah blah Now here’s Simon@ACM’s take: http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/08/un-skeptical-science-author-in-line-for-eureka-prize/ and the uncompromising Lobos Motl: http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/08/john-cook-will-receive-lots-of-money.html This guy has no clue about the climate science or atmospheric physics but he has gained some notoriety for his mass production of talking points meant to spread the climate panic and produce doubts about well-established scientific insights that show… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

For those that follow the antics of John Cook and his Skeptical Science website (recent winner of the Eureka prize), this doesn’t sound very good:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/9/20/cooking-the-books.html

Andy
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Andy

The corks are popping in Canberra tonight. Julia’s the toast of the town. But soon she’ll be toast of a different kind. Kevin’s Judas-kiss following today’s vote didn’t fool anyone. And arrogantly, Julia says the Carbon Tax is permanent, but we won’t be fooled by that rhetoric. She’s just lying again – surprise, surprise.

Some people are saying democracy is dead in Australia. It’s not dead. It’s been kicked, mugged, abused, violated, and it may be in a coma and on life support. But as long as there are elections, it’s not dead. So go have your drink or a lie down or both. Then let’s get busy…

Because we have a country to save.

http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/10/taking-a-deep-breath-.html

Andy
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Andy

Welcome to Australia’s Kafka-esque new world (h/t Bob Carter) Senator JOYCE (Queensland—Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (16:37): I have had the joy—and that is a cynical way of putting it—of seeing some of this garbage that has been presented to our nation and that, apparently, we are to look at in globo. I would be fascinated to go through some of the details of some of these things because, apparently, we do not need to see them in seriatim—we are right across it. It is all a piece of cake. This is interesting: (1) A person who is or was required to provide a report under section 22E for an eligible financial year must keep records of the person’s activities that: (a) allow the person to report accurately under section 22E; and (b) enable the Regulator to ascertain whether the person has complied with the person’s obligations under section 22E; and (c) comply with the requirements of subsection (2) and the regulations made for the purposes of subsection (3). The civil penalty is 1,000 penalty units. It further states: ‘The person must retain the records for five years from the end… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

There is an interesting post up on Bishop Hill about Australian temperatures and new statistical analysis of it:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/11/4/australian-temperatures.html

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Smoke and mirrors hide the ugly truth * by: Miranda Devine * From: Herald Sun * November 17, 2011 12:00AM THE whitewash begins. Now that the carbon tax has passed through Parliament, the Government’s clean-up brigade is getting into the swing, trying to erase any dissent against the jobs-destroying legislation. On cue, comes the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, which this week issued warnings to businesses that they will face whopping fines of up to $1.1 million if they blame the carbon tax for price rises. The watchdog says it has been “directed by the Australian Government to undertake a compliance and enforcement role in relation to claims made about the impact of a carbon price”. Businesses are not even allowed to throw special carbon tax sales promotions before the tax arrives on July 1. “Beat the Carbon Tax – Buy Now”, or “Our prices will be hit hard when the carbon price comes in”, or “Buy now before the carbon tax bites” are all examples of sales pitches that are verboten. Or at least, as the ACCC puts it: “You should be very cautious about making these types of claims”. There will… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Howard lends support to anti-climate change book

Former prime minister John Howard has lent his support to a book aimed at school children which argues the theory of human-induced global warming is a scam.

Last night, the former prime minister launched the publication, the latest from controversial geologist Professor Ian Plimer.

The book, called How to Get Expelled From School, rejects the predominant scientific opinion on climate change.

The book is billed as “an anti-global warmist manual for the younger reader”.

Professor Plimer launched the book, a follow up to his book Heaven and Earth, at the Sydney Mining Club.

The new work includes 101 questions which it says students can use to challenge their teachers on climate science.

Professor Plimer says worried parents prompted him to write the book.

“After Heaven and Earth came out I had many parents write to me and say, ‘Look, what do we do, our kids are being fed activism. I want my children to have the basics of scientists, I don’t want to be fed activism’,” he said.

>>>>>>>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-13/howard-lends-support-to-anti-climate-change-book/3727650?section=nsw

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

2008 Shock News : Rain Is A Thing Of The Past In Australia

Posted on December 25, 2011 by Steven Goddard

This drought may never break

Richard Macey
January 4, 2008

IT MAY be time to stop describing south-eastern Australia as gripped by drought and instead accept the extreme dry as permanent, one of the nation’s most senior weather experts warned yesterday.

“Perhaps we should call it our new climate,” said the Bureau of Meteorology’s head of climate analysis, David Jones.

http://www.smh.com.au

http://www.real-science.com/2008-shock-news-rain-australia

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Queensland flooding being topical, now might be a good time to revisit this report from the Queensland Government, Office of Climate Change:- ClimateQ: toward a greener Queensland http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/whatsbeingdone/climatechangestrategy/ Suggest, ‘Download ClimateQ by Chapter’ http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/whatsbeingdone/climatechangestrategy/downloadreport.html And select ‘Chapter 4: Observed and projected climate change’ http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/pdf/climateqreport/climateqreport-chapter4.pdf Rainfall projections There is significant uncertainty associated with rainfall projections for Queensland under future climate change scenarios. For example by 2050, the projected annual rainfall changes range from close to zero in the far north, to as much as a 10 per cent decline in the south (Figure 4.13). By 2070, the projected changes range from a 1 per cent decrease in the far north to as much as a 25 per cent decrease in the south in the spring (Figure 4.14). In addition to projected changes to the average rainfall over time, the frequency of wet days will decrease and the frequency of dry days will increase (CSIRO & BoM, 2007). Also:- South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative http://www.seaci.org/index.html SEACI Future Hydroclimate Projections http://www.seaci.org/research/documents/RunoffProjections_Notes.pdf FUTURE RUNOFF PROJECTIONS (~2030) FOR SE AUSTRALIA http://www.seaci.org/research/documents/S1_FR222.pdf Conclusions The median (best estimate) indicates that future mean annual runoff in the SEACI region in ~2030… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

And this from 2007 ‘Australian of the year’ Dr Tim Flannery:- Andi Hazelwood: Today you would probably say that there is no doubt that drought is very closely related to climate change, is that true? Dr. Tim Flannery: Yes, that’s right. The pattern that we’re seeing now in the weather in Australia is very much the pattern was predicted by computer models as much as a decade ago. Andi Hazelwood: Should Australia be preparing for permanent drought conditions? Dr. Tim Flannery: Well, it’s the new climate. We will have to get by with less water. The CSIRO’s telling us that. We’re seeing it now, in the evidence before our eyes in our rivers and creeks, and of course the computer models in the global models have been predicting just this now for some years. I think all evidence says that this is our new climate and we have to get by with less water than we’ve ever had before. http://old.globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/2833 Tim Flannery flannelisms “…a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, … is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

And this from The Climate Institute, ‘A Climate of Suffering: the real cost of living with inaction on climate change’ 2011 (Professor David Karoly at the University of Melbourne provided physical scientific peer review):- LIVING THROUGH THE BIG DRY—DROUGHT AND DESPAIR The world is warming at a rate unprecedented in history. Global air temperatures, humidity and rainfall patterns show a distinct ‘fingerprint‘ that cannot be explained in the absence of the rise in emissions in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases caused by human activity. Unless trends are reversed, and soon, it is difficult to see how large parts of the country can avoid falling into more or less permanent drought by this century’s end http://www.psychology.org.au/Assets/Files/TCI_AClimateofSuffering_August2011.pdf At this point it’s worth ingesting a healthy dose of 2011 reality from the BOM’s ‘Annual Australian Climate Statement 2011’:- A tale of two La Niñas – Australia’s second-wettest two-year period on record Rainfall during 2011 was very much above average across most of Australia, with record high falls over the Kimberley, south-eastern and central Western Australia, and across parts of the north of the Northern Territory. Based on preliminary numbers, 2011 was the third-wettest year on… Read more »

Richard Treadgold
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What an astonishing mismatch between reality as reported by the BOM and what seem rather stupid prognostications from the Climate Institute!

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

The other reason, apart from the mismatch, of these bring-up files is the “warmer air holds more water” riposte that is inevitably ventured by layman man-made extreme weather exponents to explain the Queensland floods say..

That is true but there’s several other factors explaining the rainfall (e.g. SST) and the warm air obviously does not “hold” the water that has precipitated out.

I came across that argument recently by “renewable guy” at Climate Change Dispatch but what these people conveniently forget (or don’t know in the first place) is that the CSIRO and BOM CO2-based model predictions were for hot and dry – not hot and wet.

We have on record, Flannery happily going along with a “permanent drought” scenario (citing CSIRO) and Karoly associated with “more or less permanent drought” along with “the frequency of wet days will decrease and the frequency of dry days will increase (CSIRO & BoM, 2007)”. The latter report is:-

Climate change in Australia: technical report 2007

http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Structure/Divisions/Marine–Atmospheric-Research/Climate-Change-Technical-Report-2007.aspx

Worth keeping these reports in mind for future altercations.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

More on CSIRO and BOM shortcomings at ‘Meteorology’ here:-

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/meteorology-001/#comment-29955

Inquiry into long-term meteorological forecasting in Australia

Recommendation 1
The Committee recommends that CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology provide to the Australian Government a report with detailed explanatory information as to why a particular dynamic forecasting model or system was chosen for use in Australia.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

From The Age, August 30, 2009 SCIENTISTS studying Victoria’s crippling drought have, for the first time, proved the link between rising levels of greenhouse gases and the state’s dramatic decline in rainfall. A three-year collaboration between the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO has confirmed what many scientists long suspected: that the 13-year drought is not just a natural dry stretch but a shift related to climate change. Scientists working on the $7 million South Eastern Australian Climate Initiative………… But to see what role greenhouse gases played in the recent intensification, the scientists used sophisticated American computer climate models…….. ”In the minds of a lot of people, the rainfall we had in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s was a benchmark. A lot of our [water and agriculture] planning was done during that time. But we are just not going to have that sort of good rain again as long as the system is warming up.” But not all experts agree. Murray-Darling Basin Authority chief Rob Freeman told a water summit in Melbourne last week he believed the extreme climate patterns that have dried out south-east Australia would not prove to be permanent. ”Some commentators… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

The Australian” What you can’t hear can’t hurt you

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/what-you-cant-hear-can-hurt-you/story-e6frg6z6-1226252801681

WHEN American noise expert Robert Rand turned up to work in Maine, in the US northeast, in April to investigate the impact of wind turbines on nearby residents he was literally blown away.

Not only did Rand’s readings confirm many fears in the community, he claims to have become an unwitting victim himself.

A member of the Institute of Noise Control Engineering and a technician with 30 years’ experience, Rand was working for a philanthropic donor wanting to investigate why wind turbines were causing so much concern.

Rand told The Australian yesterday his experience had been unexpected. He had measured the noise from wind turbines on many previous occasions without difficulty but, in testimony to the State of Maine Board of Environmental Protection in July, Rand said the turbines had delivered “a miserable and unnerving experience”.

When indoors, Rand and long-time colleague Stephen Ambrose, also a Member of INCE, experienced “nausea, loss of appetite, headache, vertigo, dizziness, inability to concentrate, an overwhelming desire to get outside and anxiety, over a two-night period from Sunday, April 17 to Tuesday, April 19”.

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Seen at JoNova (‘Gleick Admits’):-

Timdot
February 21, 2012 at 10:03 pm · Reply

On BoltA’s blog, comment posters from the drenched parts of NSW are already replacing ‘inches’ with ‘Flannerys’.

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It’s raining Aussie climate cash

http://junkscience.com/2012/03/02/its-raining-aussie-climate-cash/

AUSTRALIA will spend $600 million developing climate change “leaders” in the Pacific, producing DVDs and writing policy briefs for overseas bureaucrats. Caribbean and African countries will receive millions of Australian dollars to help tackle climate change…

[I could be a climate change “leader”]

H/t Tom Nelson (who else?)

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But this desal madness was clear at the time. Where were the experts? Andrew Bolt Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 08:03am It’s all very well to point out the financially-bleeding obvious now, but where were the experts when a few of us were trying to stop this madness before it was too late? VICTORIA would need to be in drought for eight years before a drop of water was required from the Wonthaggi desalination plant, scientists say. But taxpayers will pay more than $5 billion in that time to have access to the water. As floods swamp the northeast, critics have questioned why the plant was built. Prof Hector Malano, a water resource management expert at the University of Melbourne, said …”Desalination is the last option that you want to use…” There are two things we need to know. First, how did the maniacs in the then Labor Government come to decide on a hideously expensive desalination plant rather than a cheap dam? Second, how was almost all scientific and engineering dissent suppressed or muffled? Is the very same process now occurring on an even vaster scale with the carbon dioxide tax? >>>>>>>>>… Read more »

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Dam full but desalination plant on line at $500m a year Rachel Browne, Heath Aston IT WILL be more than four years before the Sydney desalination plant [Kurnell] produces a drop of water again, if the water level at Warragamba Dam declines at the same rate as the last time it topped out in August 1998. Even if levels drop at the same rate as the fastest decline it would be two years before the dam falls to 70 per cent – the point at which the desalination plant would be turned on. Assuming the former rate, a private owner of the plant – to be announced by the State Government this year – will take more than $500 million from NSW taxpayers without producing a litre of water. Based on estimates from the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal, a private sector owner would take $591 million in ”availability charges” from Sydney Water – payment for keeping the plant available. Taking away fixed costs, including $1.1 million a month to be paid to the plant’s operator, Veolia Water, and financing debt on the expected $1.1 billion price tag – which excludes a possible… Read more »

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Good news: the Department of Climate Change will scrap up to 300 jobs.

Bad news: there’ll still be 600 of em left.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/labor-takes-axe-to-green-bureaucrats-to-bolster-surplus/story-e6frg6xf-1226318042678

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Bob Brown has resigned as leader of the Australian Greens

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/6739947/Bob-Brown-resigns-as-Greens-leader

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HERE’S proof the climate really is changing. The Melbourne Theatre Company is putting on a play next month with a global warming sceptic as the hero. Swear to God.

Andrew Bolt

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/arts-warming-to-climate-sceptics/story-fn6bfkm6-1226332141936

As the MTC describes it: “Dr Diane Cassell is a serious scientist lecturing in what has become the cool degree at university; Climate Science…

“For nearly 20 years, Diane has been measuring sea levels in the Maldives.

“When her empirical data contradicts the prevailing view on the causes for climate change, she finds herself pressured by her funding-driven boss, Professor Kevin Maloney, not to publish her findings.”

That plot is straight from reality.

Dr Nils Axel-Morner, one of the world’s greatest authorities on sea levels, has done just this research at the Maldives.

And top Australian physicist Prof Brian O’Brien last year warned of the pressure on scientists to conform to the warming faith, telling of a colleague who’d confessed: “Brian, I completely support what you’re saying, but I have 65 researchers in my laboratory and the only funding I can get for them and to get their PhDs is greenhouse funding from Canberra or wherever.”

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Aha! Exactly what we skeptics have known all along. This is the real reason for corruption of science. These department heads are corrupt gravy-train trough-slurpers who care nothing for the integrity of the scientific method. Grow some and harden up you parasites. Universities should be funded by a generic education-targeted source rather than scholarships, grants and junkets handed out by politically-driven bureaucrats according to the agenda-du-jour.

RC – that link goes to the headline only, with a login required. Seems the Herald Sun now paywalls its articles. 🙁

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Odd. I get the full article when I click on the link via the Google Reader CCG feed (you’ve got to get that Mike) but paywall login when I click on the same link via the the CCG blog comment.

You can get the full article by copying the headline “Arts warming to climate sceptics” into Google News and searching for it (comes up top of list).

That works for me (also for WSJ) but I’d be interested to see it if it doesn’t for others.

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What’s Google?

Anyhoo, thanks for the tip. Using a reputable search engine, I found the article reproduced in full on GWPF here:
http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/5497-andrew-bolt-arts-warming-to-climate-scepticism.html

Many thanks.

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Here is one of the best blog posts I have ever read. It is on Jo Nova’s article regarding Paul Bain’s use of “Denier” in a Nature paper. Worth the 10 mins to read. In fact, worth its own article!

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/nature-and-that-problem-of-defining-homo-sapiens-denier-is-it-english-or-newspeak/#comment-1071887

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There was quite a lot on this topic at Bishop Hill.

I think it underlines the state of groupthink when the author says it is “accepted practice” to use the term “denier” in his field

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Whew! Dead right Mike. E.M. Smith is Cheifio BTW and Joanne has in fact turned the comment into a post article http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/cheifio-e-m-smith-responds-to-bain-et-al/ Yet ANOTHER outside specialist decrying the shoddy state of climate science; this time a computer programmer/economist and marketer of same (with patents no less) with a sound engineering pragmatism. And his smack down of Bain and “denier” is top-shelf. Glad you pointed out the comment Mike, I’ve only got a vague handle on that controversy because I’ve had my head in BOM’s ACORN – SAT – what a bizarre series the first location I’ve looked at, Alice Springs Minimum, is. The adjustments make NIWA’s NZT7 handiwork look rather ordinary. For example the very first step working back in time from the last open site is +0.8 C. The cumulative step change total by the time you get back to the start of the series is -1.7 C. Have a think what that does to a before and after raw to adjusted linear trend. The steps are VERY LARGE e.g. in 1975 there’s a -1.6 C step. More starting here and up-thread http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/threat-of-anao-audit-means-australias-bom-throws-out-temperature-set-starts-again-gets-same-results/#comment-1071983 I seem to be left on the thread by… Read more »

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Mike, sorry I didn’t initially read the E M Smith post you linked to. I had been following the discussion on BH and there wasn’t a lot of interest there.

I have to agree this is pretty powerful stuff and mirrors my experience too.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers
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NEWS: New legal approach — consumer protection laws may protect citizens against misleading BOM statements

Could a similar case be brought in Australia challenging the validity of the Australian temperature record which is prepared by the Bureau of Meteorology [BOM]? There are similarities between BOM and NIWA: both have adjusted their temperature record and both have created a warming trend through the adjustments. The BOM’s has adjusted their temperature trend by approximately 40%. This appears not to be consistent with criteria for adjusting temperature laid down by Torok and Nicholls and Della-Marta et al.

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Strange. What happened to those “heat trapping” GHGs?

As Melbourne residents hid under doonas, in Coldstream, on Melbourne’s eastern fringes, the temperature dropped to minus three.

Bureau of Meteorology duty forecaster Andrea Peace said Mt Hotham was the coldest place in the state with minus seven degrees while Rutherglen, Strathbogie and Corryong dipped to minus five.

A large high pressure system centred over Australia’s southeast was the culprit, bringing clear skies and light winds overnight that allowed yesterday’s warmth to dissipate.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/melbourne-shivers-through-coldest-morning-in-four-years-20120707-21njh.html#ixzz1zueMFoZh

Dissipating heat huh. Does the IPCC know about this?

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Muahaha! The IPCC only knows about keeping the gravy train a-rollin’. Some real doozey frosts here in the south. My holiday house at Hanmer has no water – underground pipes are frozen. First time in at least ten years. More GHGs please! Oh wait, what was that about dissipation?

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Actually, Richard, maybe you could help out an aging brain here…. For clouds (water vapour) to be a positive feedback mechanism, my understanding is that that argument depends on cloud cover raising the minimum temperatures. Which is okay by me, I mean when it is cloudy at night we won’t get a frost. Usually.

But you have underscored a point that seems to me overlooked or minimised by the CAGW climate scientists: Increased cloud cover surely must decrease the daily maximum temperature. Which is a negative feedback.

So, my question is this: Is the overall effect of increasing night-time temperatures and decreasing day-time temperatures positive or negative?

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First thing Mike, clouds are liquid but water vapour is gas so there’s two feedback mechanisms being studied – cloud and water vapour. What complicates things is that these two are interrelated and you have to look at radiation, sensible heat, latent heat of evaporation, wind and whatever. In terms of AGW, the posited positive water vapour feedback is tied to a posited increase in evaporation and proponents point to night-time minimums rising faster than day-time maximums [but BOTH rising] as “evidence” of positive water vapour feedback but that in isolation does not prove a positive feedback. What must be shown also is increasing evaporation measured by water vapour levels at the various atm pressure levels. The WV metrics are anything but conclusive on that (long tortuous tale). Generally, at low level WV has risen but fallen at higher levels. All climate models assume clouds result in net positive feedback (see below) but models utilizing superparameterized cloud modules (none in AR4) return negative feedback. So if you will permit me to rephrase your question: Is the overall [water vapour] effect of increasing night-time temperatures [rising faster than] day-time temperatures [combined with cloud levels]… Read more »

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I might be misunderstanding what you are asking Mike. What I’ve outlined is what is happening over climate-span time. The hydrological cycle (H2O in all its forms – solid, liquid and gas) is the attenuator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuator in the feedback loop that limits amplification and maintains stability in a system similar to an electronics control loop (“B” in this diagram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ideal_feedback_model.svg). Wikipedia describes this:- Electronic engineering The use of feedback is widespread in the design of electronic amplifiers, oscillators, and logic circuit elements. Electronic feedback systems are also very commonly used to control mechanical, thermal and other physical processes. If the signal is inverted on its way round the control loop, the system is said to have negative feedback; otherwise, the feedback is said to be positive. Negative feedback is often deliberately introduced to increase the stability and accuracy of a system by correcting unwanted changes. This scheme can fail if the input changes faster than the system can respond to it. When this happens, the lag in arrival of the correcting signal can result in over-correction, causing the output to oscillate or “hunt”.[24] While often an unwanted consequence of system behaviour, this effect… Read more »

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Richard – many thanks for taking the time to fill in the blanks for me. This is really interesting stuff. In fact I would like to nominate your post as a guest article here – I think many other Climate Conversation readers would appreciate the insights and links you share.

Roy Clark’s paper was particularly interesting, concluding that:

The PDO record provides a baseline that can be used to identify urban heat island effects and anomalous data in the station records. This provides a powerful technique for investigating climate change in California and may be extended to other Western States and other areas of the world where there is an ocean influence on the climate that may be used to provide a local reference. Unexplained ‘adjustments’ made to weather station records for use in climate trend analysis have now become a major concern.[7,8] This technique may also provide an independent reference for the analysis of climate trends in weather station data to detect such ‘adjustments’.

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Probably should read:-

“All [AR4] climate models assume clouds result in net positive feedback”

Just one of the pitfalls of plagiarism I guess.

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I don’t agree with everything that Dr Clark states (for what that’s worth) e.g. :- “Unexplained ‘adjustments’” The fact is that NZCSC accept the need for adjustments to the NZT7 but they dispute the application of them. Similarly, Blair Trewin covers adjustment explanations for Australia’s ACORN – SAT in ‘CAWCR Technical Report 049’ but replication of them starting from raw data is almost impossible (plus they’ve introduced “weather dependent” (?) adjustments). I think we should be careful about innuendo in regard to temperature record adjustments. There’s been plenty of uninformed comment at JoNova wrt BOM’s HQ and ACORN – SAT lately. I think that if more people read NZCSET’s ‘Statistical Audit of the New Zealand Temperature Series’ and the CAWCR TR 049 they would have a better appreciation of what it’s all about. I’m sure too they would conclude (as I have) that NZT7 is an easy issue compared to the HQ can of worms, that is an eye opener. Ken Stewart did a 10 Part series on HQ, Part 10 is worth a read at least down to the start of the individual site examinations:- The Australian Temperature Record- Part 10: BOM’s… Read more »

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I agree with your point about uninformed innuendo. However, Dr. Clark’s point was that the PDO should, according to his research, cause ocean temperatures to have good correlation with land temperatures (near Pacific shorelines) and therefore provide an independent yardstick to check that any adjustments to the land temperature record are appropriate. I think this is a very interesting concept which warrants closer study. I also agree with you, that his term “unexplained adjustments” is a little inflammatory – he could have put it better.

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ARGO era SST data should be obtainable for NZ but it’s the early to mid 20th century adjustments that are the problem in the NZT7. I don’t know if NIWA (or anyone) has reliable local SST data that far back.

Only the Pacific seaboard stations would come into Australian consideration as you say.

Salinger may have already done something like this in one of his papers, he did do some good work prior his recent vicissitudes. It does seem familiar and something he would have done. I’ll have a look sometime when I’m looking though his papers.

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Libs want ban on teaching climate science A body representing nearly 70,000 Australian scientists has criticised a Queensland Liberal National Party resolution calling for mainstream climate science to be cut from the state’s school curriculum. LNP delegates at the party’s state conference passed a motion yesterday calling on Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek to stop the teaching of ”environmental propaganda material, in particular post-normal science about climate change”. The mover of the motion, Noosa-based LNP member Richard Pearson, attacked ”false prophets who would poison the minds of our children in our schools”. ”Few people understand that the so-called science of climate change is really what can be defined as post-normal science,” he said, arguing it went beyond traditional understanding of science based on experimentation and falsifiable theories. The motion was passed with overwhelming support. Science & Technology Australia chief executive Anna-Maria Arabia said the resolution was ”extremely harmful” and risked undermining faith in science more broadly. The central principles of climate science – including that man-made greenhouse gases trap heat in the lower atmosphere and have warmed the planet – are backed by all the world major’s scientific academies. ”The message this sends is… Read more »

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Gillard’s about to go along with the carbon tax going by this:-

“Our prime minister is a crook” Part I (and “Is our prime minister a crook?” Part II) UPDATE: and now Part III

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/08/allegations-about-our-pm-raging-across-the-internet-around-australia/#more-23246

Caution: sordid details

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Al Gore praises inspirational Australia

The Gillard government’s carbon price has already ‘‘inspired the world’’ to press ahead with measures to tackle climate change, former US Vice President Al Gore says.

Labelling Australia one of the ‘‘canaries in the coalmine’’ for the effects of global warming, Mr Gore told a breakfast launch in Canberra of a new Climate Commission report there was much cause for optimism about global efforts to solve the problem.

Speaking via video presentation, Mr Gore said that the Queensland floods and Black Saturday bushfires of recent years showed that ‘‘we must act now’’.

‘‘The consequences of the climate crisis of course are already visible all round the world, and some of the worst, unfortunately, can be seen in Australia over the last few years,’’ Mr Gore said.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/al-gore-praises-inspirational-australia-20120821-24jh8.html#ixzz248euCd6P

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Regulator wants energy target dumped

The NSW pricing regulator IPART has called on Canberra to abandon its renewable energy target now that a price has been put on carbon.
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The main reason for rising prices in NSW has been a doubling in real terms in transmission costs, which now make up about $654 of a typical household’s annual electricity bill.

However, the combined cost of the carbon price, the renewable energy scheme, the climate change fund and the energy savings scheme adds a further $316 to the bill.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/regulator-wants-energy-target-dumped-20120918-2641b.html#ixzz26npmssZJ

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Allan Taylor’s blog

http://carboncycle-argo.blogspot.co.nz/

He has quite a lot to say about green buzz words and wind farms etc

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Most Useless Flagrant Flop of Government (MUFFOG 2012): Finalist — Victorian Desal

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/most-useless-flagrant-flop-of-government-muffog-2012-finalist-victorian-desal/

“In 2007 the Victorian Government thought it was a good idea to spend $24 billion to build a humungously big desalination plant. There was a drought on at the time, and a specialist in small dead mammals said the drought would never end

“With only 150 years of rainfall data to go from, who could possibly have predicted that it would keep raining?”

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/rainfall/melbourne-rainfall-bom-1855-2011.png

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Would be hilarious if it wasn’t such a massive boondoggle.

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In Australia, it is now OK to compare climate sceptics to paedophiles

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/12/equating-climate-sceptics-to-paedophiles-is-fine-at-the-abc/

In the article. Lubos makes the point that in his Czech homeland, they used to put out this kind of garbage until about 1989, when it became unacceptable

No doubt the knuckle draggers in the NZ media and blogosphere will be happy about the ABC ruling

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and here s the Australian headline

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/its-ok-to-link-climate-denial-to-pedophilia-abc-tells-ex-chairman-maurice-newman/story-fna045gd-1226538690358

It’s OK to link climate denial to pedophilia, ABC tells ex-chairman Maurice Newman

This firmly puts Australia on the map as one of the most intolerant and scientifically illiterate countries in the world.

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Ice rinks feeling the heat of the carbon tax

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/ice-rinks-feel-the-heat-of-carbon-tax-effect/story-fndo28a5-1226548162463

Aussie ice rinks getting pushed out of business to save the planet.

Those pesky ice rinks eh?

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Climate change signals raining down but proof will take centuries ……………it looks a lot like climate change is kicking in – or does it? Professor John McAneney, the director of Risk Frontiers, an independent research group funded mostly by the insurance industry, says that based on a database of natural hazard events in Australia, including some dating back to 1803, “there has been no increase in the frequency of natural hazard events since 1950”. But what of the spiralling insurance claims in the wake of hailstorms, floods, cyclones (think Yasi at $1.4 billion) and bushfires ($4 billion for Victoria’s Black Saturday firestorms)? “What we can see very clearly is that when this dataset … is corrected for the increases in numbers of buildings at risk and their value, no long term trend remains,” Professor McAneney said. ”It is indisputable that the rising toll of natural disasters is due to more people and assets at risk.” He said US hurricane modelling to identify a signal climate change is contributing to storm strength suggests it could be a while before the data is definitive. Averaging 18 different climate models, “it’s going to take 260 years”,… Read more »

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The MacArthur windfarm in Australia consists of 140 turbines in grid formation, and is causing a great deal of distress to the locals

http://stopthesethings.com/2013/02/13/a-voice-from-the-wilderness-of-macarthur-wind-farm/

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Combet’s carbon system scheme rocked: Budget to lose billions

Andrew Bolt

Europe’s carbon permits have crashed to record new low prices, leaving the Federal Government facing a budget hole of more than $4 billion a year from 2015.

The price of Europe’s Emissions Trading System permits dropped overnight to just $3.33. Australia’s price is $23 a tonne – by far the most expensive in the world.

This doesn’t just mean the Gillard Government is pricing business out of the market with a huge new tax. It also means the Government could be left with a gaping hole in its Budget in two year’s time, when Australian companies can buy cheap European permits instead of our own to offset their emissions.

The Government is counting on raising more than $9 billion a year with its carbon tax. But that tax take will be slashed by billions if Australian companies can buy European permits for around $4.

That now looks almost certain, after a plan to drive up the price of carbon dioxide emission credits was rejected overnight by the European Union’s Parliament:

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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/combets_carbon_system_scheme_rocked_budget_to_lose_billions/#122145

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Houses next to Lake Macquarie face demolition in a council plan to adapt to sea level rise

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1462661/poll-lake-houses-demolition-plan/?cs=305

Good idea, why don’t Christchurch City Coincil follow suit and demolish most of the city?

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The council is completely bonkers Andy. The comments under this article make good reading. Here’s an example:
What garbage! What foolishness! Do these idiots now know what they have done? They have overnight collapsed the property values in these suburbs. No lenders will lend in these suburbs, no one will want to build, no development will ever occur because these ‘the sky is falling in’ drama queens have just screwed the people. They state ‘risk’! Not certainty! SAck this bloody council and their lunatic sustainability department. Blood idiots playing with matches…the lot of them.!!!