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Climate Conversations Group Questions to Ministers – Climate Change Issues, Nick Smith and Research, Science and Technology (in Charge of NIWA), Wayne Mapp

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/world-of-sceptical-questions-unfolds%E2%80%A6/

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Climate Change: Politics and Political Positions

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Communication: Getting Eye-Time

Writing Headlines – Writing Articles

MSM, Google News, Internet Search Hooks, Public Exposure

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/world-of-sceptical-questions-unfolds%E2%80%A6/#comment-25575

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Connections

NIWA – Tyndall – Science Media Centre – Royal Society (NZ) – Gluckman – Smith – IPCC – Media etc

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/global-warming-general-001/#comment-25877

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John O’Sullivan sent me this today
ever wonder about that private police team that never submitted a final report on their CRU investigations?
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6674

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News from Canada:

The inconvenient truth about the climate change bill

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/11/18/greg-weston-climate-change-bill.html?ref=rss

I wonder when someone other than Christopher Booker will start to ask similar questions in the UK?

Indeed, I seem to remember a bunch of people wanted 40% reductions in NZ. Can any of these guys actually do sums?

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Andy James Delingpole is a questioner
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/jamesdelingpole/
How the Climategate weasels wriggled free
This week marks the anniversary of Climategate but even though I helped break and name the story I’m certainly not celebrating. That’s because, despite the marked shift it effected in public opinion, its effect on public policy-making has been close to zilch.

For chapter and verse on the horrifying disjunct between what all sane, informed people know about “Anthropogenic Global Warming” (ie, it’s a crock) and what our governments are doing in response (ie, “Nyah nyah. Not listening. We’re going to go ahead with our crazy tax, regulation and wind farm schemes anyway”) I refer you to this superb summary by M’Learned Friend Booker.

James has written quite a lot about AGW himself on his blog

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a good rundown on events since Climategate (thanks to Climate Depot)
http://climategate.tv/2010/11/19/climategate-is-still-the-issue/

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OK, I stand corrected. I meant someone other than Christopher Booker, James Delingpole, Richard North. i.e someone in the libtard lamestream media. (to use a Dellerism)

Wouldn’t happen to be anything to do with those enormous green investments in the BBC pension funds would it?

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READ ME for Harry’s work on the CRU TS2.1/3.0 datasets, 2006-2009! http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_ME.txt Well, keen-eyed viewers will remember that all the tmin/tmax/dtr/back-to-tmin-and-tmax stuff revolves around the tmin and tmax databases being kept in absolute step. That is, same stations, same coordinates and names, same data spans. Otherwise the job of synching, and of converting to DTR, becomes horrendous. But look at what happens to the line counts of the databases as they’re mangled through the system: originals ** identical metadata ** 606244 tmn/tmn.0708071548.dtb 606244 tmx/tmx.0708071548.dtb climat conversions 27090 climat.tmn.0902192248.dtb 27080 climat.tmx.0902192248.dtb climat merged interims 607692 int2.tmn.0902192248.dtb 604993 int2.tmx.0902192248.dtb bom conversions ** identical metadata ** 5388 bom.tmn.0902192248.dtb 5388 bom.tmx.0902192248.dtb bom merged (into climat interims) interims 607692 int3.tmn.0902192248.dtb 604993 int3.tmx.0902192248.dtb Sometimes life is just too hard. It’s after midnight – again. And I’m doing all this over VNC in 256 colours, which hurts. Anyway, the above line counts. I don’t know which is the more worrying – the fact that adding the CLIMAT updates lost us 1251 lines from tmax but gained us 1448 for tmin, or that the BOM additions added sod all. And yes – I’ve checked, the int2 and int3 databases are IDENTICAL.… Read more »

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I still find it hard to believe that we are expected to believe this stuff was hacked from the outside.

I see that John Graham Cummings bug fix for the Met Office still remains unresolved at their end.

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“I still find it hard to believe that we are expected to believe this stuff was hacked from the outside.” Or, in my case I still find it hard to believe that we are expected to believe this stuff. And I can’t reconcile the 2006-2009 date. The travails of HARRY are similar to what I experienced in a COBOL programming night class at Waikato Polytech back in the 80’s. The Tutor gave us a banking problem involving transactions and file updates that grew in complexity very quickly so that we all tied ourselves in knots. The Tutor then introduced us to the concept of manageable modules to solve the problem and armed with that knowledge I then went on to embed SQL in COBOL to transact with a DBMS (much parameter setting) without too much difficulty for the first time at Waikato Polytech, much to the tutors amazement. I think his exact words were “I can’t believe this is happening”. I did read in CESM blurb that Fortran 90 modules are as close to OO as a procedural language gets. In the CRU situation I would have thought that if the raw data… Read more »

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NATURAL DRIVERS OF WEATHER AND CLIMATE

[Australian] Senate Select Committee on Climate Policy

Submission by Bob Foster, 8 April 2009

[Read SUMMARY if nothing else]

CONCLUSIONS
Understanding climate-change is a work-in-progress; because the science is still very far from settled.

However, Mazzarella14 makes a compelling case that it IS already sufficiently settled.

It is too early – and the likely penalty (in terms of needless human misery) for error is too grave – for policymakers and planners to yet choose between a self-contained and primarily people-driven climate, and its natural antithesis.

As the flow of satellite observations becomes a flood, the evidential support for a naturally-driven climate grows apace. The main underlying drivers of climate appear to be externally-linked in some way. Earth does not travel in an empty Universe.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/climate_ctte/submissions/sub573.pdf
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Includes anecdote of Victorian winemakers considering switching varieties in preparation for a warmer drier climate based on CSIRO/BOM projections (don’t know if they proceeded).

Also an Appendix

ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 20 – NUMBER 1 +2 – 2009
SPECIAL ISSUE: Natural drivers of weather and climate

Papers and articles but no links unfortunately

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A Null Hypothesis For CO2

Submission to the EPA (USA) CO2 endangerment finding

Roy Clark 6/17/2009

Summary
The energy transfer processes that occur at the Earth’s surface are examined from first principles. The effect of small changes in the solar constant caused by variations in the sunspot cycles and small increases in downward long wave infrared flux due to a 100 ppm increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration on surface temperature are considered in detail. The changes in the solar constant are sufficient to change ocean temperatures and alter the Earth’s climate. The effects on surface temperature of small increases in downward LWIR flux are too small to be measured and cannot cause climate change. The assumptions underlying the use of radiative forcing in climate models are shown to be invalid. A null hypothesis for CO2 is proposed that it is impossible to show that changes in CO2 concentration have caused any climate change, at least since the current composition of the atmosphere was set by ocean photosynthesis about one billion years ago.

http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/EPA_Submission_RClark.pdf
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Sobering that this submission was ineffectual, politically.

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The Nazi Origins of Apocalyptic Global Warming Theory One of the primary pioneering theorists on apocalyptic global warming is Guenther Schwab (1902-2006), an Austrian Nazi.[i] In 1958, Schwab wrote a fictional novel built off of Goethe’s (1749-1832) Faustian religious play entitled “Dance with the Devil.” While a few scientists since the late 1800’s had contemplated the possibility of minor global warming coming from industrial pollution, Schwab used Goethe’s dramatic approach to convert the theory into an apocalyptic crisis. The book outlines many looming environmental emergencies, including anthropogenic global warming. Guenther Schwab’s very popular novel was an apocalyptic game changer. By the early 1970’s, it had been translated into several languages and had sold over a million copies. At one point in his novel, Schwab opines on the fragile relationship between oxygen and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Assuming the planet has only about 100 years remaining, Schwab frets over the continuing rise of carbon dioxide that “will absorb and hold fast the warmth given out by the earth. This will cause the climate to become milder and the Polar ice will begin to thaw. As a result, there will be a rise in… Read more »

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Professional GreenPeace street beggers are titled “Outreach Campaigners – Street Team”

Pay and benefits: to $44,000 (hrly base rate with incentives­)

Never a dull moment – as an Outreach Campaigner you will be working in an exciting and fast paced environment, meeting new people every day and doing something inspirational every day.

Greenpeace is an internationally recognised environmental campaigning organisation. We work across 6 key campaign areas to bring solutions to local and global environmental issues. These campaign areas include;

1. Defending the oceans
2. Preventing climate change
3. Protecting ancient forests
4. Toxic free future
5. Peace and disarmament
6. GE free future

http://www.trademe.co.nz/jobs/education/other/listing-394772525.htm

Just thought you would all like to know that.

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This is the organisation that Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore describes as “anti-intellectual, anti-science, and ultimately anti-human”

I believe he has also made public statements that the organisation has been “overrun with neo-marxists”

From the horses mouth, so to speak.

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My regular monitoring of Hot Topic brings up the following from reading “SOS tour adds Lakes dates; Wratt in Wellington”. Wellingtonians with a lunch hour free on Thursday (6/10) might like to note that Dr David Wratt, Director of the NZ Climate Change Centre and NIWA’s Chief Scientist (Climate) will be giving a presentation on Assessing Scientific Knowledge about Climate Change as a part of the NZ Climate Change Research Institute’s seminar series. New Zealand Climate Change Research Institute? Rationale Scientific understanding of the earth’s climate has become well established over the last few decades. The 2007 IPCC assessment concluded that the evidence for widespread climate change is now “unequivocal”. The assessment also found that recent warming is “very likely” due to increases in greenhouse gases arising from human activities. The climate system continues to change and science continues to improve. This is leading to better understanding of the effects, hazards and opportunities. Domestic and international policy should keep up to date with developments in the science and everyone should have access to balanced and accurate scientific information. Further anthropogenic climate change is already unavoidable due to lags in the response to past… Read more »

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Gwynne Dyer crashes the hyperbole meter:-

Perpetrators will not pay for crimes against planet

We now have a 20-year history of defeats on this agenda, and there is a lot of defeatism around. Politicians are always reluctant to be linked to lost causes, and the struggles against poverty and environmental destruction now seem to fall into that category. Thus we sleepwalk towards terrible disasters – but that doesn’t absolve our leaders of responsibility. We didn’t hire them to follow; we hired them to lead.

At the recent World Congress on Justice, Law and Governance for Environmental Sustainability, one of the events leading up to the Rio+20 conference, a group of ”radical” lawyers proposed that ”ecocide” should be made a crime.

They were only radical in the sense that a group of lawyers agitating for a law against genocide would have been seen as radical in 1935.

One day, after many great tragedies have occurred, there will be a law against ecocide. But almost all the real culprits will be gone by then.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/perpetrators-will-not-pay-for-crimes-against-planet-20120625-20y9b.html#ixzz1yt5Yl7wi

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From the Politics section of ‘The Christian Post’ Evangelicals and Climate Change: Global Warming Skeptics (Pt. 3) Editor’s note: In part three, the final installment of CP’s series on evangelicals and climate change, the focus is on an argument by skeptics that opportunities are being lost to help the poor because of a focus on global warming. Multiplier Effects The Poor and Vulnerable Climate Change and the Media What’s an Evangelical to Do? Though on opposite sides of the issue, Beisner and Cizik made similar claims. They both agreed that atmospheric carbon causes the Earth to get warmer. They both appealed to scientific evidence and believe the evidence is on their side. And, they both displayed concern for the poor and vulnerable. Perhaps the biggest difference between them has to do with how they view the Earth – fragile or robust. Beisner views the Earth as robust, able to handle the human-caused changes to the atmosphere. Cizik believes the Earth is fragile and too much human tinkering will have catastrophic effects. Many evangelicals, therefore, may feel stuck in the middle of this debate and unsure about what to do. “Loving the Least of… Read more »

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Is it true or not? Eija-Riitta Korhola [Finnland] europarlamentaarikko Probably I am not the only one who has been wondering about the apparent contradictions that arise from the various climate positions. Meteorologists claim that global warming has made a slow-down and describe the current epoch as cooler. Hence, temperatures do not seem to be in line with the predictions of the greenhouse theory. At the same time, others, like the World Bank in its November report, stress that the situation is worse than ever: emissions have increased and a temperature rise of four degrees is predicted for this century. How should we interpret these contradictions? Measured temperatures have been commonly understood as hard facts in the past. The fact that temperatures have not significantly increased during the first decade of this century can easily be checked by anyone. The conclusions that we should draw from this are a mystery, however. Changes in global temperatures could also be considered features of natural climate variability. The climate has always been changing at regular intervals. […] As I am a free thinker with no taboos, I want to express this out loud. The world should be… Read more »

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‘The Earth League: Self-Important, Self-Appointed Busybodies’ by Donna Laframboise Once again, people described as “leading scientists” turn out to be economists, UN officials, and those with links to activist organizations. Earlier this year, a new organization held its inaugural meeting in London. Called the Earth League, it’s described in a press release as: “a voluntary alliance of leading scientists and institutions addressing earth science and sustainability challenges…” Among these “leading scientists” we find an old friend – Jennifer Morgan. I’ve been following the career of this individual for a few years and, to my knowledge, she possesses no scientific credentials whatsoever. Rather, she is a professional activist. […] What purpose does the Earth League serve? It’s yet another organization that thinks we need “a global transformation toward sustainability.” These self-important busybodies intend to “work together to respond to some of the most pressing issues faced by humankind.” Isn’t that nice. We’re further advised that, “By coming together in a self-organized alliance, the Earth League members will be a united voice in the global dialogue on planetary issues.” According to Guy Brasseur, the acting chair of the league: “This is a wonderful initiative which… Read more »

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‘The Earth League’ Towards a Global Research & Assessment Alliance Humankind has become a quasi-geological force on Planet Earth. Our species is the most successful ever, still growing in numbers and absorbing more and more natural resources for its industrial metabolism, which is largely based on fossil fuels and other dwindling stocks. As a consequence, societies around the world are currently witnessing severe crises that call for a “Great Transformation” toward sustainability. Climate change might be understood as just one manifestation of the emerging complex problem or as a driver. […] At the same time, the gains of the human enterprise are distributed quite unevenly: abject poverty, lack of education, insufficient access to health services and other social disparities persist worldwide in spite of dramatic economic growth in many countries. […] Science will have to play an unprecedented role in this enterprise if that circle is to be squared. Among the many reasons supporting such a statement, two stand out: First, modern civilization is virtually a “brainchild”, generated by the Enlightenment and the consistent application of reasoning through the scientific method. From an evolutionary point of view, it would be foolish not to… Read more »

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I like this bit:

“…the knowledge established around the planet which is arguably spearheading the eventual development of a cosmopolitan paradigm for humankind”

Their big one-world dream, and yes – “arguably”.

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Also:

“In fact, serious steps towards an integrated Earth System science program, finally bridging the gap between the natural and the social sciences, are currently being made.”

I suggest that the “bridging” is not science, either natural, social or even political. I see 3 economists in Donna’s list of “Self-Important, Self-Appointed Busybodies”; economics being a key lever for “even” wealth distributed socialist one-worldism.

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Another familiar name on the list:

• Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change, Berlin, Germany (Ottmar Edenhofer);

“…we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy”

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Contact
Prof. Dr. María Máñez Costa
Department of Economics and Policy [See what I’m getting at?]
Helmholtz Center Geesthacht
Climate Service Center (CSC)
Chilehaus, Eingang B [A Chilean looking for global traction – from Germany of course!]
Fischertwiete 1
20095 Hamburg

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Scientific Activities

The new alliance will focus particularly on the production, dissemination and application of knowledge needed for managing anthropogenic global change according to the principles of sustainable development.

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“Scientific” ? “Activities” ? “needed” ? “managing” ? “change” ? “according” ?

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‘The Global Guardians and the League of Extraordinary Nutjobs’

by Ben Pile

[…] Speaking of new global institutions seeking a legitimising basis, Roger Pielke Jr. Tweets…

“Apparently, this proposal by scientists to stand above governments in an “Earth League” is not a spoof –> https://t.co/tB7dsmWeLu

The link takes us to the following document:

The Earth League
Towards a Global Research & Assessment Alliance

[…]

Because the world has not heard enough from the likes of Sir Brian Hoskins and Lord Nicholas Stern, there needs to be another talking shop, where these bureaucrats-posing-as-scientists can, like Emmott, and like Monbiot, and pretty much like their new critics (their erstwhile comrades) carry on doomsaying.

http://www.climate-resistance.org/2013/07/the-global-guardians-and-the-league-of-extraordinary-nutjobs.html

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‘Reclaiming the Moral High Ground (Epstein’s new energy primer)’

by Pierre Desrochers

[…] Epstein’s main message is that environmentalists have “put forward the myth that a better environment means ‘saving’ the planet from human industry,” whereas in fact humans who have been lucky enough to join the international division of labor and benefit from ever greater energy use have increasingly insulated themselves from bad weather, diseases and food shortages.

In other words, the story told by long-term trends runs directly counter to the dominant green narrative. Reducing our carbon footprint, it turns out, is a one way road to greater misery and environmental devastation. Until something better comes along, increasing our carbon footprint is the only proven way to help billions of individuals live longer, happier, healthier, safer, more comfortable, more meaningful, and more opportunity-filled life.

With facts on their side, Epstein argues, hydrocarbon producers and supporters should eschew apologies (“Beyond Petroleum” and “bridge fuel” anyone?). Rather, industrialists should make a moral case through “aspirational advocacy,” which he defines as connecting educational efforts with target audiences’ deepest values and aspirations (from human progress to environmental remediation).

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http://www.masterresource.org/2013/07/moral-high-ground-epstein-prime/

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Only vaguely recall this Economist article from a couple of months back (in ‘Democracy in America’, ‘American politics’ section note). I think all the “97%” talk might have drowned it out but it deserves a bring-up because the author doesn’t mince words in response to some of the other articles that did make waves at the time e.g. Nate Cohn of the New Republic below (my bolding): ‘A cooling consensus’ Jun 20th 2013, 15:37 by W.W. | HOUSTON under American politics […] Mr Cohn cites a few scientists who are unruffled by the surprisingly slow warming. “It might seem like a decade-long warming plateau would cause a crisis for climate science. It hasn’t. Gerald Meehl, a Senior Scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, has seen hiatus periods before. They “occur pretty commonly in the observed records,” and there are climate models showing “a hiatus as long as 15 years.” As a result, Isaac Held, a Senior Research Scientist at NOAA’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, says “no one has ever expected warming to be continuous, increasing like a straight line.” Those much-cited computer models are composed of numerous simulations that individually account… Read more »

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The footnote to ‘A cooling consensus’:

“We have not been awash in arguments for adaptation precisely because the consensus pertained to now-troubled estimates of climate sensitivity. The moralising stridency of so many arguments for cap-and-trade, carbon taxes, and global emissions treaties was founded on the idea that there is a consensus about how much warming there would be if carbon emissions continue on trend. The rather heated debates we have had about the likely economic and social damage of carbon emissions have been based on that idea that there is something like a scientific consensus about the range of warming we can expect. If that consensus is now falling apart, as it seems it may be, that is, for good or ill, a very big deal.”

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‘Climate of failure(?)’ by Judith Curry On the politics of global warming policy. Here is a good topic for Sunday’s discussion: Roger Pielke Jr. has published an interesting essay in Foreign Policy, Climate of Failure. Excerpts: […] ” A rising GDP, all else equal, leads to more emissions. But if there is one ideological commitment that unites nations and people around the world in the early 21st century, it is that GDP growth is non-negotiable” “Consider this: If the goal is to stabilize the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at a low level by 2050 (in precise terms, at 450 parts per million or less), then the world would need to deploy a nuclear power plant worth of carbon free energy every day between now and 2050. For wind or solar, the figures are even more daunting.” “For several decades, the dominant view among climate specialists was that imposing a high price on carbon emissions — whether through a tax or a traded permit system — would create the economic incentive necessary to stimulate the green energy innovation needed. Unfortunately, the track record of such schemes is not encouraging. Any policy… Read more »

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‘Professors, politics and public policy’ by Judith Curry On academic misconceptions of politics and the policy process. The previous post Climate of Failure(?) highlighted the failures of climate policy; failures particularly in the eyes of many academic scientists who have been urging action (e.g. the AGU). In his recent NPR interview, Kevin Trenberth stated: “This is very much in the role of the politicians who are supposed to do what’s in the interests of everybody as a whole,” Trenberth says. “And I’m not so sure many politicians understand their role in this.” Well, maybe it is the academics who don’t understand their role in all this. The latest issue of the Political Quarterly has a very interesting and relevant article by Richard D. French entitled The Professors on Public Life [link to abstract]. Some excerpts: […] JC summary I think that Richard French and Paul Cairney provide some important insights that are relevant for the climate change policy conundrum. The frustrations of the climate community advocating urgent action are substantial. They seem to think that ‘better communication’ is the solution. The climate problem has suffered from analogy with the tobacco policy issue –… Read more »

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‘Climate of Failure: how alternate energy dreams are pie in the sky solutions for emissions’ by Anthony Watts Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. had a worthwhile guest essay in Foreign Policy titled: Climate of Failure published last year that Dr. Judith Curry has made a post about today that she calls a “good topic for Sunday discussion”. I agree. While I see many of the same things she does, I also see a different path forward. Her last takeaway point is: … focus on goals that can actually be accomplished and getting people who think differently to act alike. We have the technology to do that in our hands now, all we need is the will. If it weren’t for the need to make nuclear bombs (of which uranium based nuclear power is a spinoff), we might already have been there. Few people know this, but the demonization of coal didn’t start with environmentalists, it started with nuclear power advocates, but that is a story for another day. Here are some excerpts from Pielke Jr’s essay in FP: […] Notes from Anthony: “…the world would need to deploy a nuclear power plant worth of… Read more »

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Great piece at Judith Curry’s entitled the Subterranean War on Science

http://judithcurry.com/2013/11/06/a-subterranean-war-on-science/

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Chain of events: 1) Read this page ‘What Catastrophe?’ MIT’s Richard Lindzen, the unalarmed climate scientist http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html?page=3 2) Saw this passage: Lindzen also says that the “consensus”—the oft-heard contention that “virtually all” climate scientists believe in catastrophic, anthropogenic global warming—is overblown, primarily for structural reasons. “When you have an issue that is somewhat bogus, the opposition is always scattered and without resources,” he explains. “But the environmental movement is highly organized. There are hundreds of NGOs. To coordinate these hundreds, they quickly organized the Climate Action Network, the central body on climate. There would be, I think, actual meetings to tell them what the party line is for the year, and so on.” 3) So looked up Climate Action Network. Got to it via this Oxfam New Zealand page: Useful links International Climate Action Network: * http://www.climatenetwork.org http://www.oxfam.org.nz/what-we-do/issues/climate-change/useful-links 4) Saw this at CAN – Integrating Climate Into the Post-2015 Framework > http://www.climatenetwork.org/publication/discussion-paper-options-integrating-climate-change-considerations-post-2015-development 5) Read this: ‘Discussion Paper: Options for Integrating Climate Change Considerations Into the Post-2015 Development Framework’ Submitted by Sam Harris on January 9, 2014 – 11:41am options_for_climate_change_in_post2015_discussion_paper.pdf December 2013; Author: Bernadette Fischler, CAFOD. With contributions from: Rachel Garthwaite, Save the Children,… Read more »

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The above chain of events was all thanks to Dana Nuccitelli’s reprint in The Guardian of Peter Sinclair’s bogus graph showing, among other things, a concocted Lindzen “forecast”. As Dick Lindzen puts it (see graph):

“Does anyone have any idea where the curve attributed to me came from? I don’t do forecasts.”

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/more-on-the-danasinclair-fraud-journalism/

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There have been a few “climate marches” around the world this week with “environmental activists” dropping mountains of litter everywhere.

I “demand” that my government takes action on litterbugs!

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Yes, anti-capitalism “climate marches” for a new “global climate economy”. Why do they bother with the charade anymore? For “climate”, read – Marxism: The entire capitalist system—with its private property, money, market exchange, profit-and-loss accounting, labor markets, and so on—must be abolished, thought Marx, and replaced with a fully planned, self-managed economic system that brings a complete and utter end to exploitation and alienation. A socialist revolution, argued Marx, is inevitable. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Marxism.html For “global climate economy”, read – Collectivism: According to Moyra Grant, in political philosophy “collectivism” refers to any philosophy or system that puts any kind of group (such as a class, nation, race, society, state, etc.) before the individual.[4] According to Encyclopædia Britannica, “collectivism has found varying degrees of expression in the 20th century in such movements as socialism, communism, and fascism. The least collectivist of these is social democracy, which seeks to reduce the assumed inequities of unrestrained capitalism by government regulation, redistribution of income, and varying degrees of planning and public ownership. In communist systems collectivist economics are carried to their furthest extreme, with a minimum of private ownership and a maximum of planned economy.”[5] http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Collectivism.html The genuine, well… Read more »

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‘Who are the ideologues now? Klein doesn’t care if science is wrong. Kennedy wants to jail dissenters’

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/09/who-are-the-ideologues-now-klein-doesnt-care-if-science-is-wrong-kennedy-wants-to-jail-dissenters/

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The Left vs. the Climate
Why Progressives Should Reject Naomi Klein’s Pastoral Fantasy — and Embrace Our High-Energy Planet

September 18, 2014 | Will Boisvert

http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/programs/energy-and-climate/the-left-vs.-the-climate

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/economics/#comment-900395

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‘Climate Movement Drops Mask, Admits Communist Agenda’ by Zombie, September 23rd, 2014 Communists along with a few environmental groups staged a “People’s Climate Rally” in Oakland, California on Sunday, September 21, in conjunction with the larger “People’s Climate March” in New York City on the same day. Wait — did I say communists? Isn’t that a bit of an exaggeration? Well…no. At the New York event, many people noticed that gee, there sure are a lot of communists at this march. But in Oakland — always on the cutting edge — the entire “climate change” movement at last fully, irrevocably and overtly embraced communism as its stated goal. Any concerns about “optics” or operating in “stealth mode” were abandoned. The “climate change” “crisis” is now nothing but the latest justification for “total revolution” and getting rid of capitalism forever. Yes, capitalism itself is the problem. The primary message of the People’s Climate Rally was this: Climate change is caused by capitalism, and merely attempting to reform capitalism will not stop global warming; it is impossible to work within the existing system if we want to save the planet. We must replace it with… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

That’s brilliant. The photos were great. ticked all the “right on” boxes!

Andy
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Andy

Jo Tyndall, who is apparently an NZ “climate ambassador”, prattles on about Fossil Fuel subsidies whilst maintaining a very impressive hairdo.

http://www.iisd.org/video/2014-un-climate-summit-jo-tyndall

Andy
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Andy

President Obama has committed to a 40% reduction in Federal Govt GHG emissions over 10 years
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/19/obama-to-cut-federal-governments-carbon-emissions/

If that means 40% less US Federal Govt, then it ain’t all bad

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

For the record: ‘Hidden crisis of liberal democracy creates climate change paralysis’ Mark Triffitt, Lecturer, Public Policy at University of Melbourne Travers McLeod, Honorary Fellow in the School of Social and Political Sciences at University of Melbourne […] What can be done to overcome this crisis? Successfully tackling climate change and other big policy challenges depends on making tangible the intangible crisis of liberal democracy. It means understanding that liberal democracy’s governance machinery – and the static, siloed policy responses generated by such democracies – is no longer fit for purpose. It means coming up with disruptive solutions – like coalitions of countries, cities and companies to tackle climate change – that re-align this machinery with the new order of scale, complexity and speed that defines our 21st-century world. Long-term solutions to fix the crisis in democratic governance in Australia might include: • More deliberative systems that directly engage citizens and deepen debate. Such systems would work to capture and grow long-term vision, values and objectives – rather than static perceptions of incremental policy decisions made for tactical reasons. • Expert and citizen panels that are genuinely intergenerational and cross-sectoral. Their composition should… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

I am interested to know what they will define as a “denier” if they propose that “deniers” be sent to jail, murdered, hung of even beheaded (yes even the latter was suggested in the comments at the Guardian)

Are the Warmists connected with Islamic militants? They seem to have a very similar attitude to “infidels”

Given the rather rapid pace that free speech is being suppressed in the West, and violence condoned by governments, including the Obama administration, then there is a real possibility that this might happen.

I suppose I could buy some solar panels to ward off the vampires.