Your view of CO2

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[SORRY, but the polling software has been mistreated somehow and until I have time to investigate, no longer functions. – Richard Treadgold, May 2019]

If humanity influences the climate, then the mechanism involves carbon dioxide. There’s nothing else we do that scientists have said might affect the temperature or any other feature of the weather.

But could carbon dioxide dominate the climate? It certainly affects the climate, through raising the temperature a bit — that much is non-controversial. Measuring the temperature increase as it’s introduced to the atmosphere is problematic, but it appears as though the first 120 ppmv has the most effect, about 2.3°C; the next 267 ppmv (more than doubling it) adds less than 0.5°C.

Calculations show that doubling CO2 again, to about 800 ppmv, would add another 0.5°C, but at the current rate of increase it won’t get to that level until 2255.

Some people say the greenhouse effect of CO2 is too small to dominate the climate (it has much less influence than water vapour), while others say that, like a poison in the body, you don’t need much to have a catastrophic effect.

What do you think? Does CO2 dominate the climate?

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David du Toit
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David du Toit

Ha ha ha!

Your poll only registers NO votes – maybe it even registers YES votes as NO votes!

What a flippen disgrace – fabricating/manipulating evidence to serve your ideology.

Richard
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Hi David,

You’re quick to make assumptions, but you are wrong. We have no ideology but truth.

I can assure there’s no trickery involved, as we don’t host the poll, it’s done offsite by a third party. We have no control over it.

There is a “no” vote registered now. It is the first one. Perhaps that is your vote. Have another look. When you reload the page the updated voting results will be visible.

If you’re still unhappy, please leave another comment.

Thank you for visiting. Perhaps you can record your opinions on one of the articles.

Cheers,
Richard Treadgold.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

David du Toit, poll results at this comment date/time

NO: 128
YES: 9

Ha ha ha!

And your ideology is?

G/S. Williams
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G/S. Williams

Hi, Richard,

Regarding your polls, referring to the iceberg one, what about naming a group of icebergs as “a melt of icebergs”; after all, once they have broken off whatever they will have started to melt.

Keep up the good work.
GSW

Richard
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Hi G/S,

Yes, I agree it’s a good candidate. “Melt” is one of the options in our poll, go ahead and vote for it if you wish.

Richard.

Barry Brill
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Barry Brill

Richard – a small challenge on one point. You say that CO2 atmospheric concentration will reach 800ppm by 2255 “at the current rate of increase”.

But the current rate won’t continue. It’s quite closely correlated with global population – which demographers tell us will reach a maximum of nearly 9 billion by about 2050, then reduce to 7.5 billion by 2100. So, on this basis alone, the rate of increase will reduce in 40 years and keep going down thereafter.

Then the second greatest contributor to the rate increase is “carbon intensity”. China says they will reduce theirs by at least 45% within 10 years, and India is expecting to do almost as well. These are the 2 largest future emitters.

The G20 and others have stated that they don’t want the current level of 285ppm to rise above 350ppm during the next century. On any reasonable set of forecasts, the world will meet that target very comfortably.

Richard
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Excellent news, Barry, thank you! I am pleased to be corrected on these figures, since they were causing some anxiety — distant, but anxiety nonetheless.

FijiDave
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FijiDave

Barry Brill: “… current level of 285ppm to rise above 350ppm ”

Shouldn’t that be 385 (or 388) and 450 ppm respectively?

Just asking.

Richard
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Good point, FijiDave. Now that you draw my attention to it, I think you could be right. Current level is 388 and the number 450 is a popular one.

Maurice@TheMount
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Maurice@TheMount

One day we will bring all the Carbon Clowns to reality.
Atmospheric CO2 (Plant Food) is a necessity for all life on earth, and currently earths
atmosphere is CO2 (Plant Food) impoverished, all life on earth would benefit with more of it.
CO2 is PLANT FOOD….FACT FACT FACT.

Manfred
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Manfred

Great web site – keep up the excellent work. People are slowly coming to realise that this is the biggest single ‘have’ of all time – a ‘have’ worth $300Billion or more in the carbon exchange. Al Gourdo is reaping the rewards of from the gullible, with the assistance of the bureaucrats and the grant driven (see PBRF – Tertiary Education Commission) university research. Mention ‘climate change’ or ‘ocean acidification’ somewhere in the grant application and the chances of funding are raised considerably. Posit a null relationship between these two and quite likely watch the grant sources evaporate. Without plentiful and cheap power, life in the 21st century is as life was – a hard, short lived drudge, in which most of one’s time is spent undertaking simple tasks performed by appliances be they washing machines or computers. The increasing cost of power and its association with the carbon dioxide tax are ways in which massively expensive renewable energy generation gets to look like an ‘investment’ against the far cheaper more reliable alternatives and the UN gains its cut from the carbon exchange to pursue its global governance agenda. The basis is spurious.… Read more »

Wolfgang Haumann
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Wolfgang Haumann

Votes are nice, but facts are more important.

If anyone can explain to me how a small amount of carbon-dioxid gas in the air can achieve a heat radiation back to earth that ends in a permanent warming i will probably accept AGW.
There should be real measurements everywhere in the atmosphere to proof the CO2 effect or falsify it.
Anything else is ideology, not science.

Has anyone followed the way CO2 takes from our cars or powerplants up there in the atmosphere.
Remember it has significantly higher weight than ‘normal’ air.

Sorry for my english, i’m from rainy and cold Germany.

william
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william

CO2 only constitutes 4% of all greenhouse gases, yet its blamed for all weather events, rain, snow, hail and sunshine.

Don Graham
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As an avid “man-driven CO2 is going to cook us all” denier, I have explored as a matter of interest New Zealand’s effect on the atmospheric level of CO2, wrote this article several years back, emailed it to someone in NIWA and surprisingly did not receive a reply—well, not surprisingly! The problem New Zealand maintains the right to explore and exploit the seabed and water column within its EEZ and I cannot see why we should not be allowed to exploit its carbon-sequestering ability, especially since New Zealand is practically unique in this position of having a large EEC and a small population. This is a natural CO2 sink, and we should take economic advantage of it as a CO2 mitigating component. The maths The total area of the world’s oceans is approx. 356 million sq. km excluding ice-covered ocean (5 million sq. km). The world produces from fossil fuel consumption and forest burning, etc., approx 7-8 billion tonnes of CO2 annually. Of that we know 3 billion tonnes remains in the atmosphere and accumulates. The rest 4-5 billion tonnes goes into the ocean and terrestrial biosphere. It is generally accepted that 3/4… Read more »