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The “topic banning” of William Connelley from Wikipedia caught my eye on WUWT.
Connelly is a Green party activist and prolific Wikipedia contributor on climate change issues, and runs a blog called Stoat

According to Delingpole, Connelly rewrote 5,428 climate articles on Wikipedia.

His skewing of public information on climate has been extraordinary, going so far as to delete the resignation letter from Hal Lewis’s Wikipedia page.

From an NZ perspective, it has been interesting to see Connelly pop up on Hot Topic and admonish Gareth (see Ian Wishart’s commentary here

It is ironic then that When Connelly does re-emerge on HT to comment on sea ice, his comments frequently get voted out of sight.

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Climate: Controversies News MMCC Scepticism Climategate and the Main Stream Media

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Organisations: Societies, Universities, Companies, Greenpeace, WWF, ET AL

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Ideology: Green, Guardian, Totalitarian and Leftism

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Troublesome Trolls

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Climate Change Propaganda

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The Social Simulation of the Public Perception
of Weather Events and their Effect upon the
Development of Belief in Anthropogenic
Climate Change

http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/sites/default/files/wp58.pdf

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Guardian scribe can’t cope with complex scientific arguments unseating his cognitive faculties:

“How fear of bias dominates the climate change debate”

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/news/#comment-25885

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I’m a bit confused as to whether ‘Thread’ is a poster or new threads which I can’t pick up from the drop down menu because it’s too long for my screen
Whichever, in my view if you have too many subcategories it’s confusing for posters
I’m still plowing around trying to find my last post to Samoth in which I objected to assumptions which he had made
No matter; but if Thread could be a little less energetic might be easier for the rest of us
Or I’m a simpleton as Samoth with his assertion of ‘preconceived ideas’ considers me to be

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NIWA – Tyndall – Science Media Centre – Royal Society (NZ) – Gluckman – Smith – IPCC – Media etc

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/global-warming-general-001/#comment-25877

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Connections

NIWA – Tyndall – Science Media Centre – Royal Society (NZ) – Gluckman – Smith – IPCC – Media etc

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/global-warming-general-001/#comment-25877

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“THREAD is Richard C organising things into threads…Yes?

If you wait a day for Google to index this site, you should be able to find Samoth through the search box.

I wouldn’t take stuff too personally though Val. It is a characteristic of the warmist mindset to assume every non-believer is stupid. You get used to it after a while.

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‘Thread’ is me – Richard C. “I can’t pick up from the drop down menu” Yes, I have the same problem, RT knows – you have to zoom out to see the entire menu and eventually RT will mimic the drop down on the Open Thread page. It takes time and RT is VERY busy at the moment. “I’m still plowing around trying to find my last post to Samoth” Get the RSS feed and also go to Admin Admin * Log in * Entries RSS * Comments RSS (click on this) Tip -open CCG in more than 1 tab (I work with 5 -9 tabs, 3 of which will be CCG) “too many subcategories” – Val, there is a bigger picture here, you have to understand that. (basically all the categories of “New List V2.0 in “Open Threads” have been incorporated so that the entire AGW Proponent – AGW Sceptic debate is framed (plus a few other issues). Already the new set up has an international cooperative advantage. There is cross linking and referencing going to JoNova and overseas players of note (with cred) for example “if Thread could be a little… Read more »

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thanks Andy – wise words; but I still think that there are going to be too many threads

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thanks Richard; I know there’s stuff going on behind the scenes; FROM 3 AM!!!! ARE YOU A HERO OR WHAT???

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“I’m still plowing around trying to find my last post to Samoth” Val, as an example of how the system works go here https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/controversy-and-scandal/#comment-26256 You will find Samodt, filed and linked under “Troublesome Trolls” – see, remember our discussion about that, and now you want to access your troublesome troll, there’s a way to do it. I will also be linking the same spot on the page via “Debating” under “Disproving AGW”. we need this resource for future reference. There is much more going on than you realise remember, we are up against a collective opponent and as Andy says “know your enemy’. Also, if you have gone through a session with a troll like we did with Samodt, there is a lot of material that we can re-use, so we need to get back to it for future reference. I employ this tactic all the time ( no point in re-inventing the wheel) and did so on a raid into Hot Topic. Now I can re-use what I hit them with. BIG TIP – after a raid, save the page to your local drive, so that if the blogger takes down the… Read more »

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Debating Strategies

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“FROM 3 AM!!!! ARE YOU A HERO OR WHAT???” – Nope, but I can get a lot done at that hour when there’s no distractions (Trolls) and also it pays to remember the the world goes on 24/7 so there’s always someone to talk to. I’m all for engaging with Trolls, it keeps you sharp and you’ve got to know your stuff. But the Key is to pick the right Troll – some are a complete waste of time so let them go. Samodt was brilliant, so now we have built up a resource and don’t forget there are other eyes taking it in (Lurkers). There are some very knowledgeable Trolls and a lot can be learned from them (I have) and a skillful Troll will bury you if you are not careful. It’s all about strategies and not wasting time. You’ll be getting off lightly here (RT runs a tight ship) but you would not believe the ad-homs that have come my way in other places (some scary threats – remember, they like blowing up kids. [BTW – was payed the ultimate complement by RedLogix at Hot Topic – he thought I… Read more »

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Mike Jowsey says:
October 19, 2010 at 6:13 am

Christopher Monkton talking about world government (and taxation), communism and climate fraud. Very eloquent, informative and disturbing.

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-interview-lord-monckton-talks-about-nwo-master-plan/

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Do we really need a thread entitled “troublesome trolls”?

Does it actually add anything to the discussion?

Ideas welcomed (as long as they are not of a troll nature 🙂 )

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Yes, we do. This is a resource, you need to read Debating Strategies – Tips.

To illustrate, there’s a huge stoush at JoNova http://joannenova.com.au/2010/10/shock-climate-models-cant-even-predict-linear-rise/#comments

Scan from about # 100 on (Richard S, Courtney is on fire!).

Tip – put in a short innocuous or supportive comment – check the box:

Notify me of followup comments via e-mail

And watch the debate vie email (get gmailer if you have not already got it)

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Here’s a good article for us lay people written by a lay person
http://blogs.forbes.com/warrenmeyer/2010/10/15/denying-the-catstrophe-the-science-of-the-climate-skeptics-position/
He describes the contents of the article as ‘a necessarily brief summary of the skeptic’s case.’
The comments are interesting too for those who have time

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This article is a reasonable high-level summary, imo.

A good book to read is “Chill” by Peter Taylor. It goes into some quite detailed technical background into the water vapour arguments.

(Interestingly, Taylor has many years as an environmental consultant to governments and NGO’s, including Greenpeace)

Richard Lindzen’s talk at the ICCC conference in Chicago this year explains in fairly intelligible language some of the problems with the science. It is an hours video, well worth watching.
(Will try to find a URL later)

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The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research

http://www.cawcr.gov.au/

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It’s interesting sometimes just to randomly wander around the East Anglia Emails

This one shows the CRU looking for funding from Shell International:

Mike and Tim
Notes from the meeting with Shell International attached.
Sorry about the delay.
I suspect that the climate change team in Shell International is probably
the best route through to funding from elsewhere in the organisation
including the foundation as they seem to have good access to the top
levels.
Mick

http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=185&filename=968691929.txt

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Author: Richard S Courtney Comment: Twikler: Your post at #148 is completely daft. [SNIP ad hominem remarks.] My post at #141 I correctly said and referenced: And, as Kiehl reports, the models use a variety of climate sensitivities from 1.5 to 4.5 deg C for a doubling of CO2 to get this large range of assumed anthropogenic forcings. But there is good reason to consider that the real climate sensitivity is much lower. For example, Idso snr. reports his 8 natural experiments that indicate a “best estimate” of climate sensitivity of 0.10 C/W/m2 which corresponds to a temperature increase of 0.37 Celsius for a doubling of CO2. And on the basis of that I stated the only reasonable conclusion; So, nobody knows what climate sensitivity really is. The models use a wide range of assumed climate sensitivities. The lowest assumed climate sensitivity used by a model is probably too large by about an order of magnitude. And on the basis of that, the modellers assert that climate sensitivity is large. . Your silly response to that is to assert of me: Then contradict yourself by stating that the “unknown” figure is now too… Read more »

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BobC: October 19th, 2010 at 12:19 am oh dear @129,130: I see you have a reading comprehension problem. I’ll try to clarify some of the statements that you seem to have trouble with: Let’s start with #130: oh dear: October 18th, 2010 at 6:15 pm You need to find dispassionate evidence of fraud, and you have so far failed. Spoken so authoritatively! One might suppose you were a lawyer [SNIP ad hominem remarks]. OK, kindly produce some precedents on how freely written confessions of criminal behavior, acknowledged by the authors, is not admissible evidence. Make it easy on yourself: Start by explaining why the Miranda Warning is meaningless (and where the US Supreme Court went wrong in requiring it). [SNIP ad hominem remarks] Now to #129: Point 3: I think you meant “cannot”? [predict the climate] Please clarify. I clearly said that climate alarmists must show evidence that they can predict the future course of the climate — else their dire predictions amount to the same as a crazy guy on the street corner claiming the world is about to end. How you got this exactly backward is baffling. Then you say: Obviously… Read more »

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Author: Joanne Nova
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Oh Dear. You’re really pushing the bounds to the max. No more ad homs, no more argument from authority. No more indulgent, patronizing, over-long effusions from a stone age anonymous thinker. Catch up with the reformation, we’re 400 years ahead of you.

Name yourself Oh dear. You speak for the dominant paradigm. What on earth could you be afraid of? That we might google you like you did to Courtney?

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Andy says:
October 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm

I think we owe our friend “samoth” an apology.

At least he walks the walk, and built his own electric car:

http://www.evalbum.com/1772

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October 20, 2010 at 9:00 am

“apology” !

I want to offer him my heart-felt and deepest thanks for turning up and providing us with such a fortuitous opportunity – that’s if the Sarc Police will allow me, of course.

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October 20, 2010 at 9:02 am

“At least he walks the walk, and built his own electric car”

I wonder if it’s coal-fired?

Andy says:
October 20, 2010 at 9:35 am

I expect it’s powered by a mixture of coal, gas, wind and hydro. Like everything else in this country

Apology? Just my wry sense of humour. And “Samoth” appears to have one to, given he spells his name backwards when appearing in this supposed parallel universe to the “real one” of Hot Topic, where he posts as Thomas.

The plot thickens…

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October 20, 2010 at 9:50 am

“Just my wry sense of humour. And “Samoth” appears to have one to”

Yes, I was “warming” to the guy – I miss him.

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“but I still think that there are going to be too many threads”

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, Val.

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Is it worth putting in some tags (keywords) or some brief content on each thread header?

It makes it easier for search engines to index, and therefore a more useful resource.

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Is it worth putting in some tags (keywords) or some brief content on each thread header?

Very good point Andy (but I think the content comes afterwords i.e sub-sub-sub categories – as in a database hierarchy ),

That had not crossed my mind and to be honest, I don’t know how to do that (knowledge gap).

Seeing your heads in that zone and mine isn’t (and I don’t think I’ve got the time), See if you can set up a demo example somewhere to show us how to do it – you’re right, we need “hooks”.

Just call yourself THREAD or HEADER or something appropriate and go for it.

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You can always Reply to thread headers with no hooks (all of em at present) with a header containing hooks.

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RT may have a contrary opinion on this to mine, of course (i.e. a better idea in concert with his Blog aims – he might already have an idea in mind from NZ Herald days)

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I’ve missed a BIG trick here – sorry everyone.

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Here’s an example:

A paper by David Hand et al

(Note with interest that David Hand was on the panel of the Oxburgh enquiry into the CRU emails )

“How to lie with bad data”

http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?verb=Display&version=1.0&service=UI&handle=euclid.ss/1124891289&page=record

Richard D. De Veaux and David J. Hand
ying with statistics can be accomplished in many ways. Distorting graphics, manipulating data or using biased samples are just a few of the tried and true methods. Failing to use the correct statistical procedure or failing to check the conditions for when the selected method is appropriate can distort results as well

Keywords:
Statistics, data mining, climategate, david hand

The above keywords might trigger a search result for “climategate”, but it depends to some extent on the spam algorithms of the search engine.

In other words, though the paper has no direct relevance to climategate, it might be of interest to someone interested in the topic.

You can apply this to topic headers:
e.g
GCMs:
Keywords : General circulation Models, climate change, computer modelling, Hadley Centre,

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Okay.

I had better get onto this.

FYI,

I have Hierarchical and Relational Database programming skills in the forgotten recesses of my mind.

e.g. COBOL with embedded SQL, BASIC, ACCESS, System Design and Analysis and such like.

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That’s good to hear.
I used to work for a search engine company (Globalbrain, ChCh) so have a bit of useful background there.

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I’ve just realized that the Keywords are set in the Blog post.

So. RT drives it – it’s his job, yaaaaaay!

The Keywords therefore, are the titles of all the headers plus whatever.

I might get around to compiling a list of Keywords, life expectancy permitting – that would be useful

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There are obviously some header titles we don’t want in Keywords as Val has pointed out previously.

e.g. Troublesome Trolls

That would be cute in the Blogosphere, but it might go viral and create such a storm that it would distract us from the real missions and clutter up our resource (and RT’s Blog).

It might go viral anyway – Yoiks! and Youza!

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RT – bad news (for you), please see:

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/controversy-and-scandal/#comment-26518

But I guess you would be very aware of that at your end and I think you’ve already alerted us to that.

When there’s a lot of stuff going on, details like that get forgotten.

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Useful Quotes “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” – Joseph Goebbels From Michael Mann (truth doesn’t matter): “Perhaps we’ll do a simple update to the Yamal post, e.g. linking Keith/s new page–Gavin t? As to the issues of robustness, particularly w.r.t. inclusion of the Yamal series, we actually emphasized that (including the Osborn and Briffa ’06 sensitivity test) in our original post! As we all know, this isn’t about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations.” * The environmental movement has been hijacked by Malthusian Eugenicists and these Quotes from the mouths of the Elite are why I know that AGW is a False Conclusion and now through the Climategate emails are proven to… Read more »

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“The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

David Rockefeller

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See also: this thread

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Not-Richo – passing Troll, raiding JoNova from # 103

Aka

Not Richard:
Still not Richard:
So Richard was wrong:
Richard still confused:
I’m not Richard:

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/head-of-australian-science-academy-issues-decree-from-pagan-chieftans-of-science/#comments

Thanks for passing by, Not-Richo, I’m forever in your debt.

You buried me.

Well played.

But do your CLOUDS still have a silver lining?

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THE CITIZEN AUDIT REPORT

UN’s Climate Bible Gets 21 “F”s on Report Card

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CSIRO and BOM in cahoots here

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Andy, please continue this conversation in “Open threads as promised’ here

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Global Warming’s Corrupt Science

By Patrick J. Michaels

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Climategate Google Suggest – Google Search

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See See “Organisations: Societies, Universities, Companies, Greenpeace, WWF, ET AL”

Google

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See “Controversies and Scandals”

Climategate Google Suggest

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RealClimate: Funding and Activism, Richard S. Courtney

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UN chief uses climate hoax to promote global governance

Saturday, October 16, 2010

UN Secretary-General Arrives in Morocco

He will identify three main challenges for global governance: ensuring that the global economy works for all people; combating climate change; and addressing new challenges, such as migration and organized crime.

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When You Control The Forecast And The Data – Magic Happens

“Antarctic cooling, global warming? …. the continent and in the interior appear to have cooled slightly …… we fully expect Antarctica to warm up in the future.

Wow! the predictive skills of climate scientists is uncanny. Somewhere between 2006 and 2007, Antarctica did exactly what Gavin predicted. It switched from a long term cooling trend to a long term warming trend – in just one year!

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Scafetta on 60 year climate oscillations

George Taylor, former Oregon State climatologist writes:

Nicola Scafetta has published the most decisive indictment of GCM’s I’ve ever read in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics. His analysis is purely phenomenological, but he claims that over half of the warming observed since 1975 can be tied to 20 and 60-year climate oscillations driven by the 12 and 30-year orbital periods of Jupiter and Saturn, through their gravitational influence on the Sun, which in turn modulates cosmic radiation.

If he’s correct, then all GCM’s are massively in error because they fail to show any of the observed oscillations.

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Global Warming’s Corrupt Science

By Patrick J. Michaels, October 20, 2010

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Wind power reduces the value of homes

Swedish Wind Energy appears in a new increase in the deliberate attempt to conceal the fact that properties near wind turbines drop significantly in value, among others, writes Elisabeth von Brömsen, Föreningen Svenskt Landskapsskydd. Confederation of Swedish Landscape Protection.

[Wait 10 secs – Google Translate]

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More Lies About CO2

Written by Doug L. Hoffman, Resilient Earth | 24 October 2010

A new paper, penned by a group of known warmist scare mongers, claims to have proof that CO2 is the control knob that regulates Earth’s temperature. Andrew A. Lacis, Gavin A. Schmidt, David Rind, and Reto A. Ruedy, all from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, are boasting they have experimental proof that “carbon dioxide is the single most important climate-relevant greenhouse gas in Earth’s

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Futuristic climate schemes to get U.N. hearing

By Alister Doyle, OSLO | Wed Oct 27, 2010

(Reuters) – Futuristic schemes for slowing climate change such as dimming sunlight are fraught with risks but will get a serious hearing from the U.N. panel of climate scientists, a leader of the panel said on Wednesday.

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James Delingpole has a good article http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day/ quoting selectively I know what you’re thinking and I’ve heard about the “consensus” too. But when you can actually prove something you don’t need a consensus. That’s why you never hear about the consensus on gravity, or the consensus on evolution. Saying that 97% of climate scientists believe in global warming is an awful lot like saying that 97% of priests believe in God. If they didn’t at least pretend to believe in global warming climate change climate disruption they wouldn’t be climate scientists – not of the sort that get public funding, anyway. And when those “scientists” have to delete their own source data to prevent it from being released under freedom of information laws they deserve the scare quotes because at that point they have stopped being a credible science and have become just another bunch of religious extremists. Simply put, the shoddy and disreputable field of climate “science” still has an awfully long way yet to go to actually prove that our six and a half pints of co2 are a problem of sufficient magnitude to justify such an obscene amount of public… Read more »

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Chinese firms blamed in huge greenhouse gas scam
Damian Carrington – smh
October 28, 2010

BRUSSELS: The European Commission is planning to clamp down on a €2 billion ($2.8 billion) carbon trading scam involving the deliberate production of greenhouse gases which the fraudulent manufacturers are then paid to destroy.

The Climate Change Commissioner, Connie Hedegaard, says the use of these carbon permits, from industrial gas projects in China, could be banned because of their ”total lack of environmental integrity”.

Billions of euros worth of the controversial permits were used between 2008-09 in the European Union’s emission trading scheme, in which companies must exchange pollution permits for emissions produced.
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The scheme allows some of those permits to be bought in from developing countries.

The most popular of these so-called offsets come from projects that destroy the greenhouse gas HFC-23, a byproduct of the manufacture of the refrigerant gas HCFC-22.

The Environmental Investigation Agency said in June that many Chinese chemical companies were manufacturing HCFC-22 primarily to earn money from destroying HFC-23, which can be five times the value of the refrigerant gas the plants are ostensibly set up to create.

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Andy says:
October 30, 2010 at 11:13 am

Chirk factory workers protest over ’subsidy threat’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11649996

Mike McKenna, director of Kronospan’s Chirk factory, said the subsidies for electricity generators which use biomass encouraged them to take “the easy option” of burning freshly felled timber.

He told BBC Radio Wales: “The easy option for them is cutting down trees and burning them for electricity generation.

“That’s because the subsidies are worth more than twice the value of the wood.

h/t Bishop Hill
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/

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The Precautionary Principle

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The Consensus

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Solar flare-up will burn a hole in every pocket (NSW)

Brian Robins and Tim Barlass October 31, 2010 – smh

INVESTIGATION

HOUSEHOLDS will pay an extra $600 on their electricity bill over six years to cover the $2 billion cost of the failure of the state government’s overly generous solar power scheme.

If elected in March, the opposition will have the scheme, which runs to the end of 2016, reviewed by the auditor-general so that it can decide on its future.

From midnight last Wednesday, the government slashed from 60¢ to 20¢ per kilowatt hour the tariff paid to households installing solar panel systems because the surging number of applications has blown out the scheme’s cost.

In reports tabled in Parliament last week, the government disclosed that it had been advised that even after slashing the tariff for solar panels, it anticipated 777 megawatts of solar panels would be installed by the time the scheme closed.

Already, 200 megawatts of capacity has either been installed or ordered.

The reports detailed the total cost to households is forecast to reach $1975 million by 2017, placing a burden on homes at a time when power prices are rising sharply already

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Richard your site is wonderful from a reference point of view but I do miss talking to people; is there something that can be done about that? Or should I just go to Jo Nova or WUWT for that aspect?

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I have to agree here. The threads have been great work (particularly by Richard C), but I think many would prefer some more opportunity to follow a conversation thread.

I don’t know an easy solution other than to spawn off a separate reference site. Is this feasible?

I’d be happy to chip in for any hosting if that was required.

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Thanks Andy; Richard C is doing great work but a conversation thread would be a wonderful idea

I mentioned this once before and I think someone mentioned a thread ‘talk now’ but I can’t find it or it may have disappeared in the deritus

I suggest a thread called something like ‘conversation’; I like this site particularly because its frequenters are local (I think) and although we are not all scientists or computer modellers we can all learn off each other

And so far we seem to have avoided the trolls which Jo Nova’s site has recently attracted

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a better name ‘talk fest’

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The forum for talk fests is:

“Open threads as promised”

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/

I’ve used it to get feedback from Jo Nova and that worked well, see:

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/#comment-27133

Just start a new thread with anything you want to talk about. I left some pointers around but they seem to have got lost.

Remember that this was why Richard T provided “Open threads as promised”

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

The forum for talk fests is:

“Open threads as promised”

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/

Just start a new thread with anything you want to talk about. I left some pointers around and I was hoping you would turn up here but no show:

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/#comment-26757

I’ve been talking to myself – I was was looking for some input re keywords as I’ve been using Rank Tracker to analyze CCG keywords..

Remember that this was why Richard T provided “Open threads as promised”

Richard Treadgold
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Val, The main point of this site is to provide a vehicle for conversation. You’ve probably noticed that the word conversation features in the name of the site! :>) I have been deeply pleased at the contributions that have been coming in over the last few months. So, no, please don’t go away! Go to all the sites, by all means, but you’re welcome to have conversations here. There are the “Open threads”, as you know, but the main vehicle is to discuss the individual posts. We need more of those, and so anybody is welcome to write one and submit it to me for publication. I encourage you to do so. For myself, I could happily sit here and read and write about global warming all the time. However, I must earn a living and I cannot indulge this fascinating (and necessary!) pastime. You may notice that I almost never contribute here in the morning; that’s because I have a major customer for editing who uses me most days for between 4 and 8 hours. I start early in the morning so I have time to service other customers during office hours… Read more »

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Andy,
See my reply to Val. Another site would involve twice the admin time and I think we can do both things here. As I said to Val, we just need more posts to stimulate a little more conversation.

Thanks for your offer to help with costs, that’s tremendous. The October traffic spike took us from a normal 3 GB to 4 GB to just over 10 GB! Normally, that means an extra $60 for the month but I hope to negotiate something more reasonable. The site must not go down! There were several days last month when that almost happened, and without prompt action by the Kiwi Web Host Company to add free bandwidth (just for the one month) the great Climate Conversation would have been terminated until today!

I should look into putting a Donate feature on the site… more research!!

Thanks, Andy.

Richard Treadgold
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Richard C,

I want to echo what Val said, that you’re doing a wonderful job in adding the reference feature and a tremendous heap of references to the site! I only have time to quickly scan the messages as they cross my inbox, but I see them all and I’m learning a great deal. The best thing about it is that I know, when I have some time to peruse a particular topic, that I’ll find the references right here! All I need to do is follow a few of the obvious threads or just use the Google search feature that’s built right in to the site!

So thank you, Richard C!

val majkus
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val majkus

Thanks Richard for your message; yes, let’s keep going as we’re doing and I look forward to seeing a ‘donate’ button in the near future; I think with links that people offer on the various threads if each of us posters puts a brief summary of what the link is about that might stimulate more conversation and for me that would be great
Also each of us should pass links to the site with our comments on other blogs we might visit such as on WUWT – that would increase traffic more over time; I’ve been doing my bit and I’m sure others have been doing the same

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Richard T, thanks for the up-date. I have been trying to shepherd the guys to “Open Threads as promised” for O/T conversations. Have been using it to talk to myself but did get some feedback from Jo Nova https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/#comment-27133. I am very interested in the stats for CCG and have been doing some analysis myself with Rank Tracker and placed them in Open Threads as promised here https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2010/10/open-threads-as-promised/#comment-27150 I note that CCG wins hands down with the search engines over HT JoNova WUWT in search % using Alexa. I have registered CCG with Google to enable better cataloging but as you will see in Jo Novas feedback there is a fine line in gaming Google i.e quality content in posts is better than pushing Open Threads as a list site (easy to do but Google unhappy). BTW, I save EVERY Open Threads page to my local drive after significant contributions, so there is always a back-up for me and for you if you need it. The bulk of the structure is in place now so I don’t see me putting the in a lot more and will be going for targeted quality contributions… Read more »

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Climate change game launched Published: 7:00AM GMT 01 Nov 2010 – Telegraph UK An educational computer game in which users have to save the world from climate change offers an interesting solution – decide the problem is overpopulation and design a virus to kill millions. Fate of the World goes on sale on Tuesday and has been praised by gaming experts and climate campaigners as a way of reaching new audiences in the fight against carbon emissions. However, climate change sceptics may be surprised and angered by some of the strategies on offer in the game which is being released on PCs and Apple Macs. As the head of a fictional international body the user must save the world from soaring temperatures, increasing floods and deadly droughts. The game, developed by Red Redemption, an Oxford-based design company, uses real data and input from scientists and has best been described as a Football Manager for eco-enthusiasts. Users are presented with a budget, environmental data, and a series of energy policies which range from emissions caps and investment in biofuels to continue investing in fossil fuels. Other more extreme policies are also available such as… Read more »

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Richard C (NZ)

‘High Priestess of Global Warming’ No More! Former Warmist Judith Curry Admits To Being ‘Duped Into Supporting IPCC’

Judith Curry
Climate etc
Oct 26, 2010

November 19, 2009: bucket of cold water #2. When I first saw the climategate emails, I knew these were real, they confirmed concerns and suspicions that I already had. After my first essay “On the credibility . . .” posted at climateaudit, I got some emails that asked me to be sensitive to the feelings of the scientists involved. I said I was a whole lot more worried about the IPCC, in terms of whether it could be saved and whether it should be saved. I had been willing to substitute the IPCC for my own personal judgment [in public statements], but after reading those emails, the IPCC lost the moral high ground in my opinion. Not to say that the IPCC science was wrong, but I no longer felt obligated in substituting the IPCC for my own personal judgment.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

East Anglia Confirmed Emails from the Climate Research Unit – Searchable

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

James Cameron and Google CEO: Questioning Warming Science is “Criminal”

Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
Friday, Oct 29th, 2010

Lock up the dissenters?

James Cameron and Google CEO: Questioning Warming Science is Criminal 291010CameronGoogle CEO Eric Schmidt and film director James Cameron recently concurred that people who question the science of anthropogenic global warming are, in their opinions, “criminal”.

The two made the comments during a recent on stage conversation at a private event in Silicon Valley.

“If that continues, business as usual as our leaders in Washington say is OK for us to do, we will have extincted 70% of the species on the planet by the end of the century.” Cameron responded to Schmidt’s line of discussion on global warming.

During the same conversation Schmidt stated, “There are people who in my view criminally doubt some of the science.”

“I agree, criminally, I agree with that.” Cameron interjected.

“People, we need to evolve mentally and philosophically to something that has never existed before.” the Avatar director continued.

“We need to become techno-indigenous people of an entire Earth, not of a nation, not of a state, but of a planet.”

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

See – James Cameron and Google CEO: Questioning Warming Science is “Criminal”

Andy
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Andy

Funny how Google are quite happy to serve up the “sceptic” ads, even for arcane programming sites that having nothing to do with climate Let’s take a look at some of the vested interests in the Silicon Valley “club”: (Note: Prop 23 is the proposed bill to delay the climate legislation in CA) The last stand for climate change has brought John Doerr, a leading green tech investor with Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, to the table. Doerr has given $500,000 to defeat Prop 23. And he’s not alone. Wendy Schmidt, wife of Google CEO Eric Schmidt and founder of the 11th Hour Project, a Silicon Valley environmental grant-making nonprofit, donated $500,000 to NRDC’s No Prop 23 Committee To date, the heaviest hitter on Team No is Thomas Steyer, the press-shy founder of San Francisco hedge fund Farallon Capital Management. Steyer, a big donor to Democratic candidates, has pledged $5 million and stepped forward to co-chair the No on 23 Committee with George Schulz, the Republican former secretary of state. http://www.grist.org/article/2010-08-17-texas-oil-v.-california-clean-tech-the-battle-over-Prop-23/P1 Not only do these guys have vested interests in “green” technology and truck loads of money, they also effectively control the internet.… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

“I’m not so worried about Cameron”

Cameron had massive reach with Avatar and the sequel will be filmed in NZ.

He gets into kids minds (and grown-ups) so I think he’s every bit as dangerous as Schmidt – just a different medium.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

10:10 spin til it hurts

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/11/1010-spin-til-it-hurts/

After the marketing disaster of the century, 10:10 desperately needed to save some face. They had accidentally showed us their totalitarian desires and lost at least 20,000 members in a week. How embarrassing.

How do you hide that? In true PR form, you frame your membership numbers and “save” the members you lost: keep the thousands of people (or fakers) who have joined and then left your group on your tally. (Just don’t call it “current members”.)

On their new redesigned home page they say they have 110,340 worldwide …wait for it…”sign ups”.

Andy
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Andy

The 10-10 event page that Jo links to is hilarious:

e.g

In Germany there will be a low carbon speed dating event.
(Breeding is low carbon?)

There will be a zero carbon music festival in Portugal.
(No food, no amps, sounds like fun)

British schools will have Fuel Free Fridays and students will compete to design the best eco school.
(British schools better get used to being fuel-free – it will become the norm)

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

I missed this – can’t think why:

“Who’s doing what to mark the Global Day Of Doing on Oct 10?”

All that wild eco partying sounds like fun (to disparage).

Oh well, perhaps there will be a “Global Day Of Doing” next year.