Psst … engineering gossip

A little bird tells me of something rotten in the state of NZ Engineering.

Engineering New Zealand produced a report on future power supply. Problem is, it’s riddled with errors and omissions.

They have flatly refused to publish a critique of it. They have refused even to publish the affiliations and expertise of those who contributed to it.

It seems that many of them profited from the renewable energy industry.

Shocking? Much.

No, I don’t know the bird’s name.

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I haven’t got any Engineering gossip, but there’s some twitter gossip from NZ’s Chief Climate Change Propaganda guru.. J Renwick.. engineered to make you want give this clown a swift kick in the backside.
https://thestandard.org.nz/is-there-a-middle-ground-on-climate-change/#comment-1615594

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Mack,
There really really really is a greenhouse effect and you are one of a very few who doesn’t realise this.
I am reading a good book at the moment called ‘Ends of Days’ detailing the 5 (soon to be 6) mass extinction events. Greenhouse gas concentration is directly responsible for three of them.

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I wouldn’t call an effect that raises average global temperature from -18°C to +14°C and rising as trivial.
Maybe you could convert to Kelvin so that the difference looks smaller on a chart.

Simon
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Simon

All polar molecules are greenhouse gases., including water vapour.
CO2 has a residence time of 50-200 years. H2O has a residence time of 9 days.
Water vapor feedback roughly doubles the amount of warming caused by CO2.
We’ve been through this many times before. Go review the Myles Allen lectures. He was in NZ a couple of months ago on a lecture tour. Or watch this:
https://youtu.be/u9L49p9Y8Mg

Simon
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Simon

Hopefully by now you have worked out that is a non linear question because of forcings and feedbacks.
There is more than one way of getting from climate state A to climate state B.

Simon
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Simon

Which is why water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. You didn’t watch the video did you Richard? You claim an interest in learning but you refuse to accept evidence when it is presented. Let’s try again.
The American Chemical Society has a good online tutorial: https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience.html

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“I wouldn’t call an effect (ie. “Greenhouse effect”) that raises the average global temperature from -18deg C to +14deg C and rising as trivial” There seems to be a bit of confusion with the numbers. It’s generally understood by the “greenhouse” believing wackos, that, indeed the Earth would be a solid frozen ball (of water) at -18deg C, if it wasn’t for the atmospheric “greenhouse” effect. One wacko, even in that huge delusion, argued that there could be liquid water in the depths of the oceans because of undersea volcanoes…. I conceded him that. Your figure of +14deg C is close, but a little out, Simon. It’s generally accepted that it’s more like +15deg C for the real global average temperature. Measurement from thermometers, satellites, and all that stuff, Simon. Notice I said… +15deg C for the REAL global average temperature… your -18deg C is an IMAGINARY, calculated global average temperature. Converting to Kelvin for you , if you like, all the “climate science” literature says … 255deg K = -18deg C and 288deg K = +15deg C … the difference being 33deg K . 33deg K worth of HEAT magically generated by… Read more »

Simon
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Simon

Mack,
I suggest you start reading the scientific literature that has come out after 1840.

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Mack .

Simon,
Well, apparently both you and Renwick both believe in the -18deg C insanity, which is your science understanding of the “scientific literature” … right here and now in 2019. So it’s more like you and he, along with your looney frozen Earth “greenhouse” nonsense, should be relegated back to the 19th century along with phlogiston.
Don’t forget to renew your membership of the Flat Earth Society, Simon.

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Simon is so far behind…. The CAGW myth relies on steady RH and increased SH with a resultant Tropical Hotspot at the Tropopause. This has not happened so they have slid their greaseball hypothesis over this total failure as with their other Feynmannian demonstrations of cupiditous scientific Charlatinism. I say again, child of stalin, you are five days from urban chaos so beware of what you ask for.
Brett Keane – no hiding of names this end……

Warrick
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Warrick

I’m usually reasonably good at tracking down reports from websites, but this report has me stumped. Any chance you can post the link to it?

Warrick
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Warrick

“Engineering New Zealand produced a report on future power supply. ” In the original post.

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