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De-Industrial Revolution Spreads

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To the Editor
Climate Conversation

10th April 2016

The industrial revolution started in Britain with inventors and entrepreneurs using coal to drive steam engines and make iron and steel. Generations have benefitted.

But Greens have started the DI (de-industrial) revolution. Their policies aim to have Britain producing no coal or steel and relying on expensive, subsidised, intermittent energy from windmills.

Consequently, heavy industry in Britain is in sharp decline, real jobs are scarce and some frosty night, lights will go out, trains will stop and “Earth Hour” will last until dawn.

The pampered green class will rejoice temporarily, but will soon join the modern pommy paupers forced back to candles, poaching and workhouses.


Greece, Spain and Italy are also infected with the DI disease. It has now spread to Australia where mining, energy and heavy industries are drowning in green ooze.

Viv Forbes


forbes [at] carbon-sense [dot] com

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In a similar vein (via Hot Topic comments) A federal judge in Oregon on Friday ruled that the lawsuit brought against the U.S. government by a group of youths last August can go to trial—a huge victory for the case climate activists are calling “the most important lawsuit on the planet right now.” The lawsuit, filed by 21 plaintiffs ages 8-19, and climate scientist Dr. James Hansen, states that the federal government is violating their right to life, liberty, and property, as well as their right to public trust resources, by enabling continued fossil fuel extraction and use. “This is as important a court case as the planet has yet seen,” said Bill McKibben, co-founder of climate group 350.org. “To watch the next generation stand up for every generation that will follow is as moving as it is significant.” http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/09/unprecedented-youth-climate-case-against-government-moves-forward Presumably these 8-19 year olds are all acting on their own volition and are convinced that catastrophic climate change is happening, despite there being no discernible surface warming in their lifetimes Presumably, these 8-19 year olds have considered all the social and economic implications of stopping using fossil fuels Presumably these 8-19 year… Read more »


John O’Sullivan from Principia Scientific International (without a background in physics) acts just like one of those power-hungry editors of those notorious journals that publish climatology papers, deciding all by himself what’s right and wrong science. So PSI “science” is just as corrupt and easily refuted with empirical evidence. Note however that PSI member Dr Hans Jelbring (with a PhD in climatology) fully supports what I say and my efforts to expose the fallacious physics at PSI and elsewhere. Evidence also supports my hypothesis without exception. What a JOKE it is to watch Jef Reynen and Joseph Postma (in their PSI articles) fight it out with totally different radiation figures each supposedly explaining Earth’s surface temperature. Both of them ignore the simultaneous surface cooling by evaporation and sensible heat which even the IPCC and NASA know must be deducted from the incident radiation before determining the maximum temperature such radiation could achieve. Jef Reynen talks about a mean of 180W/m^2 spread over the whole surface, so that could NOT make the mean surface temperature more than 237.4K (about -36°C) but Joseph Postma (considering only the sunlit hemisphere) not only forgets about the non-radiative… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

REVEALED: EU subsidises the CHINESE steel which is decimating British industry’

BRITISH taxpayers have been forced to subsidise the very Chinese steel companies that are threatening 40,000 UK jobs, critics say.

By Marco Giannangeli, Sun, Apr 10, 2016


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Another EU vote for Brexit.


I does seem slightly creepy that climate activists have to resort to using 8 year old children to pushing their propaganda through the courts, but when you are a leftist creep with no moral compass, anything goes I guess.

Richard C (NZ)

>[Hansen case] “(via Hot Topic comments)”

Posted in the HT February temperature thread. Why that wasn’t posted in the ‘Hansen’s Magnum Opus’ thread (yet to see a comment), I’ll never know.


Don’t know, it’s just a random comment they posted about “good news”. ie a bunch of children trying to shut down the USA economy

Richard C (NZ)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON KELSEY CASCADE ROSE JULIANA; et al., Plaintiffs, v. The UNITED ST ATES OF AMERICA; et al., Defendants. ORDER and FINDINGS & RECOMMENDATION […] A. Standing Plaintiffs must demonstrate standing for each claim they seek to press and for each form of relief sought. DaimlerChrysler Corp. v. Cuno, 547 U.S. 332, 352 (2006). At the pleading stage, general factual allegations of injury resulting from the defendant’s conduct may suffice. Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, 504 U.S. 555, 561 (1992). For Article III standing, plaintiffs must satisfy three “irreducible constitutional minimum” requirements: (1) they suffered an injury in fact that is concrete, particularized, and actual or imminent; (2) the injury is fairly traceable to the challenged conduct; and (3) the injury is likely to be redressed by a favorable court decision. Id. at 560-61. . L Concrete, Particularized, Imminent Injury Plaintiffs allege that climate change endangers humanity and nature and is a consequence of human caused or influenced green house gases, primarily C02, derived from the combustion of fossil fuels. First Amended Complaint (F AC) (#7) at~ 202. Plaintiffs allege because C02 persists in the atmosphere,… Read more »

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‘When U.S. air force discovered the flaw of averages’

In the early 1950s, a young lieutenant realized the fatal flaw in the cockpit design of U.S. air force jets. Todd Rose explains in an excerpt from his book, The End of Average.


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Applicable to climate and sea averages. Average doesn’t exist anywhere but climate scientists still use averages anyway. It’s not as if they have 17 planes crashing in one day, but they’re labouring under the same illusion nonetheless.

Richard C (NZ)

‘Accepting Regional Variability in Global Temperatures’ By jennifer Marohasy on April 11, 2016 http://jennifermarohasy.com/2016/04/accepting-regional-variability-in-global-temperatures/ Excerpts: The focus on mean global temperatures, rather than regional variability, has been a consequence of the politicization of climate science and the desire to use the authority of science to force political change [See Chart 1 – no recent spike in SH temperature] http://jennifermarohasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/UAH-NHLand-OZ-Globe-toMarch2016-V2.gif The UAH satellite record also separates out ‘land’ and ‘ocean’. So, for the northern hemisphere, as an example, it is possible to understand temperature trends for the land versus ocean components of this record. When we consider the land component of the UAH satellite record for the northern hemisphere, the recent spike in temperatures is particularly pronounced, Chart 1b. Meanwhile, for Australia, there is no such recent spike in temperatures. Rather temperatures appear to cycle within an approximate 4 degree Celsius band, Chart 1c. Patterns in the historical temperature record, and geographic variability in temperature trends, potentially gives us insight into the drivers of climate change. Many, however, would argue that as the satellite temperature record only goes back 38 years to 1978, that this is too short a period for discerning correlations with… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)

From JMA page: Long-term Variations in Solar and Infrared Radiation http://www.data.jma.go.jp/gmd/env/radiation/en/diag_rad_e.html Long-term Variations in Global Solar Radiation [Surface Solar Radiation – SSR] Reports indicate that global solar radiation decreased from around 1960 to the late 1980s before increasing rapidly from the late 1980s to around 2000. Since then, no obvious changes have been observed in most regions of the world (Ohmura, 2009 *1). In Japan, solar radiation declined rapidly from the late 1970s to 1990 before increasing rapidly from around 1990 to the early 2000s. Since then, data from measurements at the five observation stations have shown no obvious changes. These long-term variations are consistent with those reported globally. Long-term variations in annual and 5-year running means of global solar radiation at 5 stations in Japan (Sapporo, Tsukuba, Fukuoka, Ishigakijima and Minamitorishima) http://www.data.jma.go.jp/gmd/env/radiation/image/global_radiation_e.png Long-term Variations in Downward Infrared Radiation [DLR – CO2 component 6 W.m-2 1976] Downward infrared radiation has been measured since the early 1990s at Tsukuba. A time-series representation of five-year running mean downward infrared radiation until 2010 shows a trend of increase at a rate of about 0.4 W/m2 per year. This is consistent with the trend seen in the… Read more »


Paula Bennett to head to New York to sign historic climate agreement
Once the agreement is ratified, Mrs Bennett said, the more difficult task of moving New Zealand to a low-emissions economy would begin.

“Quite frankly, there’s some easy ways to do that, and there’s some harder ways. And I want to go down the harder path to start with.”


Yeah let’s go down the harder path and shut down the NZ agricultural economy

That should work for the rump Nat voters in the rural blocks


Reading about the appalling tragedy of the collapse of Venezuela makes me think that this will spread to the USA and beyond, and then we will hear no more about “climate change”



I hear that people in Venezuela have nothing to eat, resorting to scavenging for cats and dogs. Supermarkets, if they have any food, and being looted, Armed gangs kidnap and murder, yet guns are banned for the public.

Walls are covered with no smoking signs, and signs telling people not to be racist. Restaurants require 30 odd permits to stay open.

The country has the oil wealth of Saudi Arabia, yet the few hospitals left have no power and surgeons do operations by the light on their mobile phones, with no anathsthetic

This dystopian nightmare is real, yet all the west can talk about is how horrible and “racist” Donald Trump is, and how nasty and bigoted people won’t let men into the women’s restroom

Time to head for the hills, literally in my case.


Leftists can rewrite history but the internet archive still remains open for business

Richard C (NZ)

>”Reading about the appalling tragedy of the collapse of Venezuela makes me think that this will spread to the USA and beyond……..”

Yes, just the beginning. Puerto Rico is defaulting, Saudi Arabia has been downgraded and wanting to hock off Aramco. China is a slow moving train wreck. Trade war cranking up.

Used to be backpackers from Brazil coming for seasonal work, don’t see them anymore now that Brazil’s back in the doldrums.

But Venezuala is the stand out. Socialisms poster child has gone belly up. But capitalism wont fare any better, the debt-fueled party is over around the world (think ZIRP, NIRP). Just hasn’t trickled down here yet.

Tough times ahead I fear. Will make AFC, GFC, Great Depression, look ordinary.


I just saw this from Canada

“Ontario to spend $7-billion on sweeping climate change plan”

This line stood out:
“It will also require that gasoline sold in the province contain less carbon”


Richard C (NZ)

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Eek! – “Catastrophe” “As far as I am concerned, this is a catastrophe.” – art dealer. ‘Another Asset Bubble Cracks: Art Sales Plunge’ by Wolf Richter • May 10, 2016 After a blistering five-year boom of near limitless possibilities, it is suddenly getting tough in another asset class – one that mere commoner millionaires are not invited to play in: the high-dollar art market. Auction house Sotheby’s reported on Monday that revenues in the first quarter plunged 32% from a year ago. Agency commissions and fees, the largest subcategory, plummeted 37%. Expenses edged up. Hence a resounding operating loss of $32 million – a $50-million swing from its $18 million profit a year ago. On the news, Sotheby’s shares plunged 8%, at one point trading below $26 a share, but then miraculously bounced back and today closed at $28.72. Yet, they’re still down 38% from their 52-week high last June, and 46% from the post-financial crisis high in December 2013, the halcyon days when QE was still inflating the art market and the wealth of its participants. At the same time, a debacle played out at Sotheby’s art sale. At its auction in… Read more »

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Richard C (NZ)

Help has arrived ! EDF Climate Corps “Superheroes”:


Getup’s a bit drab. Me, I’m gonna call SuperMandia:

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Much more colourful.

Richard C (NZ)

Banned in Portland by climate catastrophists (OPINION) By Gordon Fulks WARNING: This article — and by extension this newspaper — should not be shown to children in the Portland Public Schools (PPS) system by order of the Portland School Board. “Banned in Portland” may not yet have the same notoriety as “Banned in Boston” or “Banned in Tennessee.” But we are catching up. Please do not look for a centerfold in this newspaper showing some gorgeous gal, au natural. And don’t look for photos of Oregon politicians guilty of inappropriate sex. This isn’t about sex. This is about something far more controversial: science. Yes, believe it or not, competent science is again deemed a threat to humanity by daring to doubt the global warming paradigm. It is as though we are back in 1925 Tennessee, where fundamentalist followers of an old time religion were up in arms about evolution replacing creationism. Today the issue is competent science versus catastrophism. Competent science is that messy business where perpetually skeptical scientists argue the vital details of a very complex subject, in this case the Earth’s climate. Catastrophism is the pretend science of the Prophet Gore… Read more »

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