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And it will unfortunately continue RT, until people face the reality that the cause is not fundamentalist extremists but the doctrine of Islam itself – wherever it is established violence eventually grows from it.

I suggest everyone read the Quran, and until they do I feel they are too ignorant to formulate an opinion on the matter either way. It starts to take flight regarding violence (especially towards Jews) about 10% into it, and builds in it’s encouragement of violence and oppression. From what I’ve read (about 2/3rds), it doesn’t have any spiritual teachings that would make someone a better person, quite the opposite. In essence it is evil, as are those who practise what it preaches. Here’s are 5 simultaneous translations of the Quran:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Qurans.Islam

15″Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16″You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17″So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.…’ Matthew 7:15,16,17.

Richard C (NZ)
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>”The “ordinary, decent Muslims” who undoubtedly exist” They do exist but they are not, as Magoo alludes, following faithfully the precepts of the Quran if jihad does not mean to them, among other non-violent things, violent war. They would be luke-warm or incomplete Muslims in other words. ‘The truth about the rules of Islamic warfare’ – What is the purpose or goal of jihad? A complicated policy like jihad can have multiple goals or purposes, but this one comes late in Muhammad’s life in Medina and best summarizes the goal and purpose. He wants to make Islam prevail over every religion. The following translation is approved and funded by the Saudi Royal family; the parenthetical explanations are inserted by the translators: 9:33 It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth, to make it superior over all religions, though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996, 2002; parenthetical notes are theirs) This verse is repeated two more times, word for word, in Suras 61:9 and 48:28. Muhammad means business. The Arabic… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Paris Attacks: ISIS Claims Responsibility For Terror Attacks – Full Statement In the name of the all merciful Allah – Allah the very Highest said “and they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah. But Allah came to them where they weren’t expecting it and struck terror into their hearts. He destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of believers. Here is a lesson, those of you who are gifted with clear sightedness. Chapter 59, Verse 2 (of the Koran). The soldiers of the caliphate, may Allah give them strength and victory, targeted the capital of abominations and perversion, the one that carries the banner of the cross in Europe, Paris. A group split from life over here advanced towards their enemy, looking for death in the path of Allah, securing their religion, their Prophet, and wanting to humiliate their enemies. They have been truthful with Allah and we consider them as such, Allah conquered by his own hand, and put fear into the hearts of the crusaders in their own land. Eight brothers wearing explosive belts and assault weapons targeted areas carefully chosen in the heart of… Read more »

Andy
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I concur with Magoo, and am reading Robert Spencer’s book The Policitally Incorrect Guide to Islam (and a the Crusades)

Something like 90% of women imprisioned in Pakistan are rape victims. A woman’s testimony in law is only worth half of a mans under Islamic Law.

Non Muslims must either convert to Islam, pay the Jizya (poll tax) or be killed.

The Prophet Mohammed was a violent warlord who had several wife’s, the youngest Aisha he married at 6 and consummated at 9. Child marriage is normalized and women are the possessions of men.

And so we invite these people with their barbaric and seventh century lifestyles in. If we show any sign of dissent, it is “racist”

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>”this has nothing to do with ……… terrorism” I’m wrong. God (Allah) fills hearts with terror or casts terror into hearts according to the Koran >”Here is a lesson, those of you who are gifted with clear sightedness. Chapter 59, Verse 2 (of the Koran).” From Magoo’s reference, the AA and NQ translations: 59 Al-Hashr Confrontation Exile, Banishment 2. AA It is He who drove those among the people of the Book who refused to believe, from their homes for the first confrontation. You did not think that they would go away, and they imagined that their forts would protect them against God. But God came upon them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror, so that they destroyed their homes with their own hands (or were destroyed) by the hands of believers. So take heed, O men of sight! NQ He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Banî An-Nadîr) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) telling reporters in Sun City, S.C. what he thought about the president’s comments (e.g. screening Syrian refugees based on religion ‘shameful’): “It is one of the saddest things we’ve seen for seven years, that President Obama has consistently abandoned and alienated our friends and allies and has coddled and appeased our enemies. And that is never more true than with radical Islamic terrorism,” he said. “Both President Obama and Hillary Clinton want to define the enemy as some sort of abstract and ill-defined violent extremism. That means they cannot direct a strategy to defeat it because they cannot acknowledge who they’re fighting.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/16/obama-calls-idea-of-screening-syrian-refugees-based-on-religion-shameful-defends-white-house-strategy/ # # # Who they’re fighting are Islamists carrying out the precepts of Muhammad and the Quran, including terror as upthread. Religion is the screen in this case, any Quran-beleiving Muslim is a potential terrorist jihadi and enemy of the non-beleiving infidel (us). The infidel (us) are already the Quran-defined enemy of Islam whether or not a Muslim chooses to inflict death and terror. Sure, Muslim refugees have fled the war, but they haven’t fled Islam. And enclaves of Islam already exist in Europe or areas… Read more »

Magoo
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Have you seen this. This is an example of the duplicity, dishonesty, and barbarity of islam, and it is in New Zealand from the Islamic Council of NZ:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/11/islamic-council-says-there-are-no-israeli-victims-of-terrorism/

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Dr Nasser Abdul Monim Islamic Council of New Zealand President: >”No true divine faith teaches violence,” Then he will have to renounce Islam. >”it is not all that clear that Israelis are victims of terrorism in recent incidents” Infidel were the Paris victims, as intended. The largest target was Jewish owned (see below). Monim is trying to defend the indefensible, and maybe completely out of touch going by the following: ‘ISIS Launches Cyber Jihad Fundraiser to Arm PA Arabs in Attacks on Israeli Jews’ By: Hana Levi Julian Published: November 16th, 2015 The Da’esh (ISIS) terror organization has launched a cyber jihad fundraiser to arm Palestinian Authority terrorists in their efforts to attack Israel’s Jews. The cyber campaign allows a donor to purchase a weapon for as little as $3,000 (a simple rocket-propelled grenade launcher) and donate it to the “cause” – killing Israeli Jews, that is. Aimed at arming “mujahedeen of Beyt al-Maqdis” — a reference to Jerusalem and a metaphor for all of Israel – the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reports the fundraiser started a few weeks ago on Twitter and Telegram. “Al Aqsa Nafeer” (mobilization for jihad) is… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>”The Qur’an designates Jews the worst enemies of the Muslims (5:82),” From Magoo’s reference: 5 Al-Mâ’idah The Table The Feast, The Table Spread 82. AA You will find the Jews and idolaters most excessive in hatred of those who believe; and the closest in love to the faithful are the people who say: “We are the followers of Christ,” because there are priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant. NQ Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: “We are Christians.” That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud. PK Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. SH Certainly you will… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>”scarcely credible” But very real. This is life in an Islamic Caliphate under Sharia Law. Sharia Law Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shariah or Shari’a) law is cast from the actions and words of Muhammad, which are called “Sunnah,” and the Quran, which he authored. The Sharia law itself cannot be altered, but the interpretation of the Sharia law, called “figh,” by imams is given some leeway. As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam’s Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women. According to the Sharia law: • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above). • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death. • Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death. • Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam [see below] is punishable by death. • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by… Read more »

Mike Jowsey
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“So all of Islamic jihad, murderous atrocities and despotic Sharia law, Muslim aspirations of an Islamic Caliphate, anti-Semitism, and so on, are on account of a pagan Meccan moon god.”

I’m going with retarded.

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

The late Christopher Hitchens, with his rapier wit and learned rhetoric, has had much to say about the stupid evils of Islam. Here’s a 12-min sample… enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQiEO58RZZ4

Andy
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Andy

Palestinian Arabs were, apparently, celebrating at their “brothers” success in Paris. The band playing at the theatre had played in Tel Aviv and plan to go back.

Palestinians regularly get medical help from Israelis after a terror attack. However, there have been stories of Arab paramedics ignoring stabbed Jews and letting them bleed to death.

Israel put up the Tricolor to show solidarity with the French, and it was completely ignored by the world

Anti Semitism, is alive and kicking.

Richard C (NZ)
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>”Palestinians regularly get medical help from Israelis after a terror attack” I was sent this article today by a women who has close links with a number of groups in Israel and the ME: ‘A trip to Greece with the Israelis who are helping Syrian refugees’ As boat after boat arrives at the Greek island of Lesbos, the refugees aboard are met by a cacophony of languages from aid workers offering help. But there is only one team of aid workers from the Middle East that can talk to these refugees from Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere in their own language. To their surprise, it is the Israeli team. “It feels like I dreamed it,” said a bemused 26-year-old man from Damascus. “I never thought an Israeli would treat me.” His wife had just received medical help from IsraAID, a humanitarian aid agency that started working on the European refugee crisis in September. It currently has a team in Lesbos and another on the Serbia-Croatia border. […] IsraAID is an Israel-based organization mostly funded by Jewish donors from both Israel and the Diaspora, and the group certainly gets around. It has gone on missions… Read more »

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

What British Muslims Want – Documentary – 1/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTp18arMLFc

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

RT: “Doesn’t matter about global warming/climate change, does it, when our neighbours are being hideously butchered?”
No Richard, perspective changes priorities. Parisian irony perhaps?

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>”man from Damascus” Probably a good move given this prophecy: Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. Reason to be sceptical since Damascus is the oldest city in continuous settlement, and Beirut down the road is still standing (just) after the war there. But worth considering in context with other similar prophecies: Jeremiah 51:37 And Babylon shall become heaps (check) Matthew 24:2 [Jerusalem temple] There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (check) Oddly, hard to find Islam in bible prophecy. Could be Revelation 6:8 according to the following plagiarism: The Fourth Horse “The Green Horse” The translators of the King James Version of the Bible used the word “pale” for the fourth horse, which is better translated “green” from the original Greek word, “chloros.” Green is the universally identifiable color of Islam. “And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with death.” (Revelation 6:8) The Mark of Islam: Death According to a 2013 report in muslimpopulation.com, Islam has 2.04… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>”hard to find Islam in bible prophecy. Could be Revelation 6:8″

Previous quote was incomplete (memo to self – check before plagiarizing). Revelation 6:8 from the KJV is this in full:

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Islam doesn’t fit so well when the verse is complete. Beasts of the earth were part of Roman Coliseum entertainment but not an Islamic weapon that I know of. And I don’t know of Islam bringing about hunger either, or any way it could. Communism managed to. Death obviously common to both.

I would have thought Islam would feature prominently in end times prophecy but it takes a lot of stretching to make it fit anywhere.

Andy
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Andy
Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Can’t think of a worse black activist PR strategy than language like that. There’s more than a grain of truth in my view, that France has brought a lot of this on itself over many decades. The black activists seem to be alluding to that but if that’s their point then there are better ways of communicating it. And what is their solution? France’s reaction now is military raids in Syria. How that is going to change the social structure that France has created by colonialisation and immigration is beyond me. It’s not going to wind back the clock back in France or in it’s colonies that’s for sure. Worth remembering too, that 224 people died when a Russian airliner over Egypt was brought down by a bomb (129+ in Paris). National landmarks lit with Russian colours? No. Flowers, mourning, except in Russia? No. Russia’s Islamic problem similar to France and response same as France (abbreviated): ‘Putin vows payback after confirmation of Egypt plane bomb’ Putin ordered the Russian navy in the eastern Mediterranean to coordinate its actions on the sea and in the air with the French navy, after the Kremlin used… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>” It is not as if this is new:”

Also Beslan school siege:

The Beslan school siege (also referred to as the Beslan school hostage crisis or Beslan massacre)[2][3][4] started on 1 September 2004, lasted three days, involved the capture of over 1,100 people as hostages (including 777 children),[5] and ended with the death of 331 people. The crisis began when a group of armed Islamic terrorists, mostly Ingush and Chechen, occupied School Number One (SNO) in the town of Beslan, North Ossetia (an autonomous republic in the North Caucasus region of the Russian Federation) on 1 September 2004. The hostage-takers were the Riyadus-Salikhin Battalion, sent by the Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, who demanded recognition of the independence of Chechnya in UN and Russian withdrawal from Chechnya. On the third day of the standoff, Russian security forces stormed the building with the use of tanks, incendiary rockets and other heavy weapons.[6] At least 385 hostages were killed, including 186 children,[7][8] with a significant number of people injured and reported missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Something for Cindy Baxter to reflect on in Paris.

Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior

The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, codenamed Opération Satanique,[1] was an operation by the “action” branch of the French foreign intelligence services, the Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (DGSE), carried out on 10 July 1985. During the operation, two operatives sank the flagship of the Greenpeace fleet, the Rainbow Warrior in the port of Auckland, New Zealand on its way to a protest against a planned French nuclear test in Moruroa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

Magoo
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Magoo

Turkish Islamists booing & chanting “Allah akbar” to drown out a minute’s silence for the Paris victims. But … but … I thought it’s just a small minority of extremists that are the problem, isn’t it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-B17fw8vw

Andy
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Andy

Turkey wants to join the EU. That should work …..

Andy
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Andy

Road sign in Saudi Arabia:
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Andy
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Andy

Marseille, with 40% Muslim population, is now the most dangerous city in Europe
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/214086/french-city-40-muslim-population-most-dangerous-daniel-greenfield

I was last in Marseille about 30 years ago, and it was pretty bad back then. I can’t imagine what it is like now

Richard C (NZ)
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>”Muslims have now set up unofficial checkpoints in various parts of Marseilles. Anyone entering “their” area has to stop and submit to inspection”

>”Muslims had attacked the port city in the 9th century capturing it and enslaving its native inhabitants. That which Muslims once took, their theologians insist is theirs in perpetuity. The Muslim return to Marseille is seen as a reconquista, a return to the land that was once theirs.”

Meanwhile, the French air force carry out bombing missions on ISIS targets in Raqqa, Syria.

It will take military exercises to recapture their own territory from the enemy within but that realization hasn’t occurred yet. The Brazilians know a bit about this clearing gangs from Rio ahead of the Olympics. The French could learn from them.

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>”The Brazilians know a bit about this clearing gangs from Rio ahead of the Olympics” This is what it takes: ‘Cleaning up Brazil’s most dangerous favelas: How armed police are waging war on vicious drug cartels that rule the slums of Rio as they fight to make the city safe before the 2016 Olympic Games’ By Daily Mail Reporter Published: 16 June 2013 So far, about 30 favelas – out of about 1000 – are occupied by the UPP[ ‘Pacifying Police Units’], but the government aims to make it 40 by next year. One of the most graphic UPP ‘pacification’ interventions was staged in November 2010, in which police engaged in a five-day battle to take back part of the Vila Cruzeiro and Complexo do Alemao favelas, according to In Sight Crime. The dangerous operation involving 3,000 heavily-armed special police and military forces was captured by photographer David Oziel in a series of graphic shots published by Environmental Graffiti. The black and white images show officers in the joint Special Ops Battalion-led operation trying to clear the area of drug traffickers. During the assault on Vila Cruzeiro, headquarters for Rio’s biggest drug gang… Read more »

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‘Senate votes to upend centerpiece of Obama climate pledge’ By Andrew Restuccia and Darren Goode | 11/17/15 The Senate on Tuesday approved a pair of resolutions aimed at killing the centerpiece of President Barack Obama’s climate agenda, part of a Republican-led effort to undercut the White House goal of striking a new global-warming deal in Paris next month. The Senate voted to greenlight two disapproval resolutions under the Congressional Review Act, a seldom-invoked law that allows lawmakers to reject a recently finalized regulation with a simply majority vote. One resolution targeted the Environmental Protection Agency’s climate rule for existing power plants, and a second focused on EPA’s climate rule for new and modified power plants. Both passed 52-46, largely along party lines. But the resolutions will not succeed in overturning the EPA regulations. Obama will smack the measures down with vetoes, and lawmakers do not have enough support to override him. […] Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid defended the president’s climate regulations. “It is the right thing to do, and the president will protect this because it’s the right thing for the health of America,” he said. Democrats also said the Senate’s time… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid:

>climate change a “catalyst of conflict” that exacerbates tensions that fuel terrorism and wars.

Mendacity exemplified.

Richard C (NZ)
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‘New report: EPA a well-armed militia with little to no oversight’ Written by Thomas Richard, Examiner.com on 18 November 2015. The new report, which examined the fiscal years 2000 – 2014, found that the EPA’s 2015 budget would rank 42 out of 50 state budgets, and at its peak in 2010, would come in at 38. To put all this in perspective, the EPA grant-making machine has doled out over twenty times (20x) more taxpayer dollars than the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, the largest charitable foundation. And because the EPA employs over 1,000 lawyers, it would be considered the “14th largest law firm in the United States, even though EPA lawyers don’t defend the agency in court,” Andrzejewski says. For that, the Department of Justice handles all court-related matters, and has spent an additional $43 million in additional legal fees defending EPA actions. The EPA also has a Criminal Enforcement Program (CEP) that has spent roughly $700 million since 2006, according to disclosed budget estimates. These EPA “police” are actually called Special Agents, whose job is to protect the environment and investigate environmental crimes. The EPA disclosed that it had spent tens… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>”I would have thought Islam would feature prominently in end times prophecy but it takes a lot of stretching to make it fit anywhere.” I can only conclude that followers of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, have been duped as per Magoo’s Matthew 7:15 quote, “Beware of the false prophets…..”. There is a specific singular “false prophet” referred to 4 times in Revelation but doesn’t fit anyone that might come out of Islam that I can envisage. All of Islam are merely followers of one of many false prophets in the biblical scheme of things from what I can see. Other end-time players like the papacy (first beast), USA (second beast), and Russia (Gog) are far more significant. Even international shipped trade and monetary collapse (you could even say capitalism) gets a big mention in Rev 18 ahead of Islam which does not seem to be relevant to anything of consequence. Muhammad arbitrarily selected pagan Meccan moon god Sin (Hubal) as top dog out of 360. That’s not what you find in Wikipedia (below). Arabs had been using the generic “Allah” name for God long before Muhammad came along. That name is not… Read more »

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Richard C:

I think Islam could be one of the beasts of Revelation. It’s a false doctrine that is a counterfeit of Judaic/Christian teachings (false prophet) that sets itself up in place of & rejects Christ (antichrist). The beast doesn’t have to be a person or nation necessarily. Islam persecutes Christians and Jews, amongst others, and requires all to submit to it (bear the mark of the beast). Those who accept the beast’s mark are condemned because they reject Christ, which is what Islam demands. This is all on the assumption that revelation is a prophesy of the future rather than the past (Nero) of course – or both.

You’re correct that the Hebrew/Christian god is not the same as that of Islam. Muslims are fully aware of this, which can be proven by asking them to call their god Yahweh or Jehovah if that’s what they believe, which they will refuse to do.

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Jewish teacher stabbed in Marseille by some youths wearing ISIS Tee Shirts.

Nothing to do with Islam, move along racists and bigots please, nothing to see here.

Richard C (NZ)
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Magoo >”I think Islam could be one of the beasts of Revelation” Or within i.e. included in either one. Yes I’ve thought about that too. Problem is it has to fit all descriptions in all the separate references to each respective beast (I’m referring to the 1st & 2nd beasts of Rev 13). For example there is a description of the 1st beast in Revelation 17:8-10 (KJV): 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Governmental power of the papacy was removed by Napoleon’s General Berthier in 1798: Pope Pius VI – Deposition and death under Napoleon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_VI#Deposition_and_death_under_Napoleon And returned by Mussolini in 1929: History of the papacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_papacy#From_the_creation_of_Vatican_City_.281929.29 The papacy fits “was, and is not, and yet is”. Islam doesn’t. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.… Read more »

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Magoo >”The beast doesn’t have to be a person or nation necessarily. Islam persecutes Christians and Jews, amongst others, and requires all to submit to it (bear the mark of the beast)” A “beast” in biblical prophecy is a governmental entity (e.g. an empire), a person representing the beast is the “mouth” of the beast e.g. the 1st beast of Rev 13: Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth…… Plenty of evidence that this fits the papacy (Martin Luther saw this among others) e.g. the Vatican governmental State, the Inquisition, Sabbath changed to Sunday. The “mark”, both mentally and physically (hand and forehead, work and thinking) of the RC beast is the idea that the pagan Sunday (“Venerable day of the sun”) is the holy Sabbath (and enforcement of it) but the Jewish Sabbath Saturday isn’t. The RC Church changed the Ten Commandments to accommodate this: Roman Catholic Ten Commandments – Bible Ten Commandments Catholic Ten Commandments http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandments.html So far, except for ISIS, there is no Islamic governmental entity (Caliphate). There are nations under Sharia law e.g. Saudi Arabia, but no Islamic government in entirety. If a Caliphate is established… Read more »

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Richard C: I stumbled across this and I thought was very interesting because it was from August, 2014, BEFORE the Iran deal. The guy is a raving fundamentalist & can get a bit annoying & exaggerates a bit now and again, but he raises some very interesting points regarding Iran, etc. Well worth a look, although it is a bit long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URzJlSIb124 And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VUfHzmEzZY I think ancient Rome is more likely than the Roman Catholic Church. I feel many parts of Revelation, but not all, refer to past events to give the persecuted Christians of the past, present ands future hope by showing that God has come through for them before and will do again, and it can be quite tricky identifying which is what. It’s usually in metaphoric references to events from the Old Testament. One thing I found interesting is the reference to 666 – if you compare the 7 sections of the 4 horsemen, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 plagues you’ll see the the 6th of each 7 is substantially longer and expanded upon than the rest of the 7 in each section. Just a hint of a largely… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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New Yorker: ‘Why a UN Climate Deal Is the Best Hope for Peace’ – Warns of ‘climate-fuelled violence and migration’

Paris ‘should be considered not just a UN climate summit but a peace conference—perhaps the most significant peace convocation in history.’

Warmists Jason Box & Naomi Klein in New Yorker mag.: ‘A climate summit taking place against the backdrop of climate-fuelled violence and migration can only be relevant if its central goal is the creation of conditions for lasting peace. That would mean making legally enforceable commitments to leave the vast majority of known fossil-fuel reserves in the ground.’

‘As the author and energy expert Michael T. Klare argued weeks before the attacks, Paris “should be considered not just a climate summit but a peace conference—perhaps the most significant peace convocation in history.” But it can only do that if the agreement builds a carbon-safe economy fast enough to tangibly improve lives in the here and now. We are finally starting to recognize that climate change leads to wars and economic ruin. It’s time to recognize that intelligent climate policy is fundamental to lasting peace and economic justice.’

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/19/new-yorker-why-a-climate-deal-is-the-best-hope-for-peace-warns-of-climate-fuelled-violence-and-migration/

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>”climate-fuelled violence and migration”

More mendacity.

Richard C (NZ)
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Magoo, re End Of The Age – Islam, the Antichrist, and Mystery Babylon We need to specifically reference events with verses to make any sense. There’s no actual reference to “the Antichrist” as being one person in the future except that alluded to by John 1, note there is no “the”: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. This is simply warming that there will be opposition to Christ i.e. antichrist. And there’s no reference at all to “antichrist” in Revelation (check it out). Islam, see below. >”I think ancient Rome is more likely than the Roman Catholic Church” The Roman Empire and Roman Catholic Church are one-and-the-same. There is a biblical continuity starting in Daniel tracing the evolution of the Roman Empire and the continuance of it via the Roman Catholic Church once the secular Empire fell. It’s the “Little Horn” where the possibility of both RC Church AND Islam can be interpreted: ‘Islam and the Little Horn or Daniel 7′ Ever since the terrorist… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Magoo >”We need to specifically reference events with verses to make any sense. ” What I mean here is that there is plenty of speculation on the internet with all sorts of scenarios but unless specific events are not only tied to specific verses but also to ALL other verses that pertain to it including the historical precursors then the speculation usually turns out to be groundless i.e. this is no different to the scientific process: premise, observe, verify. Yes a speculative premise is useful but when it comes to the bible (OT and NT) there’s a lot of cross-referencing to be done and some very fine filtering needed e.g. ‘Islam and the Little Horn or Daniel 7′ above. We can verify right up to the present day which gives some basis for looking at the future. I’m most interested in Revelation 18 right now because it relates to the collapse of financial systems, fiat currency and debt in particular i.e. international trade finance and shipping: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+18&version=KJV The unwinding of global debt-fueled economies can be observed and verified right now and we have already had an example of major international shipping problems. This… Read more »

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Make that – “if the Rev [18] 1 & 2 announcement is anything to go by”

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Magoo >“should be killed” [Rev 6] Turns up again in Rev 13 in respect to the 2nd beast: 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+13&version=KJV Interpretation that I subscribe to (i.e. I’ve arrived at this along with a good many others): # Ist beast: Vatican theocracy in Rome. 13:1 “out of the sea” referring to populated Europe. 13:14 “wound by a sword, and did live” General Berthier unseated Pius VI in 1798, power restored by Mussolini in 1929. # 2nd beast: USA. 13:11 “out of the earth” referring to unpopulated North America, “two horns” separation of powers, “like a lamb” looks Christian,”spake as a dragon”… Read more »

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I mean Islam fulfills this role, the false prophet: ’11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great,… Read more »

Mike Jowsey
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Magoo – are you seriously saying that someone’s recent interpretation of some incoherent ancient writings is a solid prediction of the future? You’d be more credible blaming global warming (but not much more).

Andy
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One of the pictures coming from Paris is suggesting that the terrorists were into heavy drinking and drug usage. The girl who blew herself up yesterday at St Denis ( detaching her head in the process and flinging it through the window onto the street outside) was a “party girl” who “found Islam” a year ago.

So maybe it’s born again Islamists that are the problem. If they could emulate their born again Christian cousins and put on woolly jumpers and strum guitars in ugly modern brick churches, the world might be a better place.

Did I do well offending just about everyone just then?

Gary
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Events in the middle east and else where prove to me beyond doubt there is no God, or who ever, as such a person if real would not allow such mongrels do the atrocious things they have done.
As for global warming these religious morons are more of a threat to the world than climate will ever be.

Andy
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Apparently the “climate march” in Paris has been cancelled because of “security concerns”

Strange, I thought that climate change was a bigger threat than terrorism.

Richard C (NZ)
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>”I mean Islam fulfills this role, the false prophet:” OK, how does it fulfil every element within each verse, element by element, verse by verse as I have done (repeated below)? # Ist beast: Vatican theocracy in Rome. 13:1 “out of the sea” referring to populated Europe. 13:14 “wound by a sword, and did live” General Berthier unseated Pius VI in 1798, power restored by Mussolini in 1929. # 2nd beast: USA. 13:11 “out of the earth” referring to unpopulated North America, “two horns” separation of powers, “like a lamb” looks Christian,”spake as a dragon” Globocop. # Image to the beast: theocracy in USA duplicate to Vatican in Europe. Firstly, the term “false prophet” is not actually mentioned in that passage, but yes, the connection can be made to the “false prophet” specifically referred to in Rev 19:20: 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. In my version, the false prophet… Read more »

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Mike >”some incoherent ancient writings”

On the face of it. But when you try to match them to history and fit future scenarios to them you discover that you have to be strictly coherent, cohesive and consistent to make anything fit.

And what does fit already makes perfect sense. And what has yet to fit is testable simply by observation over time i.e. verifiable. This is really much the same as fitting climate theories to observations, or not.

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Gary >”there is no God, or who ever, as such a person if real would not allow such mongrels do the atrocious things they have done.” Far worse has been done (e.g. 66,000,000 dead in Stalinist Russia). And it can be argued that Nazi Germany was little different to Assyria or Babylon in respect to the Jews (except for the gas chambers) i.e. if the latter were ordered by God, why not the former? Also, there’s a biblical limit: Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. In other words, man is given free will to do as… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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>”That the world’s debased currencies originate in ancient Babylon is another discussion”

‘Modern “Commercial Law” is based on Ancient Babylonian Codes’

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/babelaw.htm

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>”China and the USA are particular cases.”

‘The Great Fall Of China Started At Least 4 Years Ago’

“China is confronting a massive debt problem, the scale of which the world has never seen.”

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/11/the-great-fall-of-china-started-at-least-4-years-ago/

‘Waiting for Collapse: USA Debt Bombs Bursting’

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/23/waiting-for-collapse-usa-debt-bombs-bursting/

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>”And yes, the roots, icons, symbols etc of the RC Church can easily be traced back to pagan Babylon.”

‘Catholic Church Built on Paganism’

Below is a small sample of pictures showing the link between Babylonian Paganism and the Roman Catholic religion.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/catholic-pagan.html

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RC: ‘1) What verse(s) supports the contention that Turkey becomes the new and future Caliphate?’ Revelation 2:13 states that ‘ … I know where you live—where Satan has his throne.’ This location is Pergamon, which is Turkey. Watch the video. ‘2) What verse(s) supports the contention regarding Iran attacking Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons?’ The ‘king of the south’ (Babylon) will be destroyed by the ‘king of the north’ (Iran) according to Daniel. Iran will soon have nuclear weapons (‘fire from the sky’), although I suppose they could do it by conventional methods. Again, watch the video. ‘3) What verse(s) supports the contention that Saudi Arabia is the modern “Babylon”?’ Saudi Arabia is considered the site of the Babylon that Isiah was referring to as he named 3 sites in relation to Babylon, all 3 of which are in Saudi Arabia: http://www.vriendenvanisrael.nl/?p=3711 If you have any further questions pleasewatch the video so I don’t have to explain it all to you every time you have a question – many thanks. I’m very interested in your reasons for the following conclusions – in what what way do these things refer to these places?: “out… Read more »

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>”if the latter [Assyria, Babylon] were ordered by God, why not the former [Nazi Germany]?” Jews ended up in Germany because they were evicted from Israel, the “promised” land i.e. diaspora. Diaspora, ( Greek: Dispersion) Hebrew Galut (Exile), the dispersion of Jews among the Gentiles after the Babylonian Exile; or the aggregate of Jews or Jewish communities scattered “in exile” outside Palestine or present-day Israel. Although the term refers to the physical dispersal of Jews throughout the world, it also carries religious, philosophical, political, and eschatological connotations, inasmuch as the Jews perceive a special relationship between the land of Israel and themselves. Interpretations of this relationship range from the messianic hope of traditional Judaism for the eventual “ingathering of the exiles” to the view of Reform Judaism that the dispersal of the Jews was providentially arranged by God to foster pure monotheism throughout the world. The first significant Jewish Diaspora was the result of the Babylonian Exile of 586 bc. After the Babylonians conquered the Kingdom of Judah, part of the Jewish population was deported into slavery. Although Cyrus the Great, the Persian conqueror of Babylonia, permitted the Jews to return to their… Read more »

Magoo
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Here’s the relevant video if you need it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VUfHzmEzZY

Richard C (NZ)
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>”Revelation 2:13 states that ‘ … I know where you live—where Satan has his throne.’ This location is Pergamon, which is Turkey” Yes, except Rev 2:13 is Jesus speaking to the church in Pergamos directly: 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write;……. This was a direct message in John’s time i.e. it is not futuristic. BTW “Satan’s Throne” was taken from Pergamon and is now in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin (i.e. it is no longer in Turkey): http://reformation.org/satans-throne-revealed.html >”The ‘king of the south’ (Babylon) will be destroyed by the ‘king of the north’ (Iran) according to Daniel. Iran will soon have nuclear weapons (‘fire from the sky’), although I suppose they could do it by conventional methods” No verses, just someone speculating. Show me the verses, the evidence, the support for the contention, literally. You must be able to do this if you’re convinced this is the correct interpretation. >”Saudi Arabia is considered the site of the Babylon that Isiah was referring to as he named 3 sites in relation to Babylon, all 3 of which are in Saudi Arabia:” Wrong. From your link: “Ancient Babylon was simply… Read more »

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>”The ‘king of the south’ (Babylon) will be destroyed by the ‘king of the north’ (Iran)

This is a gigantic stretch Magoo. I’m not buying the Babylon-Arabia substitution, it’s too much stretch. Iran king of the north doesn’t make sense either. And there’s no specific verses to support this contention (but provide if you can).

Besides, there’s a good case for this already i.e. that it is a historical event. Here’s one commentary but there are others. I link this one because it is exhaustive, is referenced to the relevant scripture, and includes maps of what is being referenced:

THE KINGS OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH
A COMMENTARY ON DANIEL 11 WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY ON DANIEL 10 & 12

v 9 Then the king of the North (a new king, Seleucus II) will invade the realm of the king of the South, but will retreat to his own country.

‘In the year 242, Seleucus II Callinicus (246-225) attempted to avenge himself for Egypt’s deep penetration of his ancestral lands, but his army was vanquished and his navy blown away. He returned to Antioch badly bloodied and empty-handed.’

http://www.bibleplus.org/prophecy/kings.html

Also:

Precise Historic Fulfillment of Daniel 11
http://www.thegospelintheendtimes.com/unsealing-of-the-book-of-daniel/precise-historic-fulfillment-daniel-11/

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Looking at your last 2 replies Richard, I think you’re speculating far, far more than the I am. Drawing the conclusion it’s the USA because it says ‘out of the Earth’ is a speculation on a speculation – you have no evidence whatsoever that out of the Earth means that and conclusion you draw from that speculation compounds the error. I use references of statements from the bible to back my claims, you speculate on ambiguous text and draw shaky conclusions. What you’re saying is that the USA, a Christian country founded by Christians, and the Vatican, a Christian church founded by St Peter, are evil, yet Islam openly states that it wants to establish a global theocracy that kills and enslaves Christians and Jews who don’t convert and you discount it. I think you’re mad to come to the conclusions you have, and your inability to even consider that you may be mistaken reinforces it – when was the last time you ever admitted you were wrong about anything? There are occult aspects to many things in many countries, all the cathedrals in Europe were built by the freemasons, yet you choose… Read more »

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Magoo >”Iran (Persia) will reign fire down to Earth in the form of nuclear weapons and their first target will be Saudi Arabia (Babylon)”” This is highly problematic. A nuclear missile doesn’t “reign fire down to Earth”. There’s a thermonuclear blast when the bomb is detonated at or just above the surface but until then there’s no fire. Even then it is intense radiation rather than fire, and that goes in all directions including up. In respect to Israel or even the wider ME, Iran is east, not north. And is the animosity between Iran and Saudi Arabia so great that it “will” resort to a nuclear attack? Wouldn’t Israel be their first target? You’ve already said in your version that the second beast (and false prophet) is a Turkish Islamic Caliphate so you cannot then place Iran as fulfilling Rev 13:13: 13 And he [second beast and false prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Elsewhere the false prophet’s actions are described as miraculous (doing “the impossible” in human terms): Rev 19:20 (KJV) “And the beast was taken,… Read more »

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>”Drawing the conclusion it’s the USA because it says ‘out of the Earth’ is a speculation on a speculation” What other NEW country fits the description other than USA? There was no nation there except native Indians. It was an entirely new nation that only came into existence on July 4, 1776. >”you have no evidence whatsoever that out of the Earth means that and conclusion you draw from that speculation compounds the error.” I’ve presented the evidence, it is entirely logical, any “error” is by your definition only. >”I use references of statements from the bible to back my claims” Not even close. I’ve asked for your element-by-element analysis linking events to scripture but but nothing forthcoming except what I’ve shown to be wrong. I’ve given two (there are many more) commentaries that do exactly that in respect to Daniel 11. Your scenario is the outlier, I’ve seen it described as “farfetched” (see THE KINGS OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH upthread). >” What you’re saying is that the USA, a Christian country founded by Christians” The original pilgrims yes but not for long. Try this Magoo: Satanic Occult Symbols In Washington… Read more »

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‘Is this the end of the E.U.?’ Jake Novak | 17 Nov 2015 | CNBC It’s always the things you don’t expect that get you. After banking scandals, currency issues, and a Greek/Portugese/Spanish debt crisis just about every six months, the economic and political partnership that is the European Union seems much more likely to fall apart for an entirely different reason after all. That reason is ISIS. The direct cause is actually an extremely divisive and growing dispute about open borders, immigration, and refugee resettlement. But that conflict just became a lot more serious thanks to the horrific ISIS terrorist attacks in Paris Friday night. Now, this discussion has grown and migrated, (pun intended), from a political debate among E.U. elites to the #1 pressing issue on the streets of Europe. When relatively smaller economic nations like Hungary began closing their borders to migrants and Syrian refugees last month, it could be written off as perhaps an isolated incident. But all bets are off now that France is closing its borders in response to the attacks, even if it is just temporarily. That’s because in so doing, President Francois Hollande has unambiguously… Read more »

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The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking [Who Are The Traders Buying And Selling ISIS Oil?] by Tyler Durden on 11/19/2015 The third certainty is that while the US, and Russia, and now France, are all very theatrically bombing something in the Syrian desert (nobody really knows what), the funding of ISIS continues unabated as someone keeps buying ISIS oil. We wonder how long until someone finally asks the all important question regarding the Islamic State: who is the commodity trader breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various “western alliance” governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/most-important-question-about-isis-nobody-asking ‘Toyota responds to U.S. inquiry over vehicles being used by ISIS’ Hans Greimel October 7, 2015 TOKYO — Toyota says it is cooperating with a U.S. inquiry into why its trucks are falling into the hands of the terror group ISIS. The cause for concern: The brand’s Land Cruiser SUVs and Hilux pickups, brimming with dusty machine gun-toting fighters, are mainstays in the propaganda videos… Read more »

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>”…..the USA Supreme Court has already written “the impossible” into the law of the United Sates with the CO2 “endangerment finding” i.e. heat moving from cold air to hot surface in violation of the Clausius statement of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.” So off to court they go: ‘Judge denies Washington kids’ petition on climate change’ By Phuong Le, The Associated Press Posted Nov. 20, 2015 SEATTLE (AP) ” A judge has denied an appeal by eight young activists who petitioned Washington state to adopt stricter science-based regulations to protect them against climate change. King County Superior Court Judge Hollis Hill affirmed some of the children’s arguments, saying the state has a duty to protect natural resources for future generations. But she said the Washington Department of Ecology is already working on meeting that obligation by writing new rules for greenhouse gas emissions ordered by the governor. Climate activists, ages 10 to 15, in Seattle brought the lawsuit asking the court to force state officials to adopt new rules to limit carbon emissions based on the best available science. The case is part of a nationwide effort led by the Oregon-based nonprofit Our… Read more »

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>”Although a theocracy is not yet in place in USA whereby the term “false prophet” can be ascribed. Federal USA at present does not fit. But a future theocracy in USA would. This is certainly not inconceivable, many factions in the USA want a theocracy from the Christian Right through to Obama’s communitarians” ‘Is America on the Verge of Theocracy? 4 Fundamentalist Ideologies Threatening U.S. Liberty’ Extremists shape American politics to unabashedly pursue legislative policies that favor the rich and punish the poor. By Henry A. Giroux / TruthOut.org March 7, 2012 Americans seem confident in the mythical notion that the United States is a free nation dedicated to reproducing the principles of equality, justice and democracy. What has been ignored in this delusional view is the growing rise of an expanded national security state since 2001 and an attack on individual rights that suggests that the United States has more in common with authoritarian regimes like China and Iran “than anyone may like to admit.” I want to address this seemingly untenable notion that the United States has become a breeding ground for authoritarianism by focusing on four fundamentalisms: market fundamentalism, religious… Read more »

Andy
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“How Marine Le Pen is winning over the Muslim vote”
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/how-marine-le-pen-is-winning-over-the-muslim-vote/

The enemedia refer to Le Pen as “Far Right”, yet she is getting votes from Paris Jews, gays, and now muslims,

The real story, I feel, is the disconnect with the “political class”

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