Hope that Pope can cope with climate dope

Monckton and Heartland in Rome with message of hope for Pope Francis:

There is no crisis!

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The popular, avuncular Pope Francis. Realistic climate information is almost guaranteed to challenge his open-mindedness. Let us pray he mans up to meet it. Click to enlarge.

The usual dope on climate change is soaked in exaggeration, obfuscation, scare-mongering, twisted statistics and fact-free insinuation, rather than frank, open-hearted science. To counteract this, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences of the Roman Catholic Church is holding a global warming workshop at the Vatican on Tuesday.

In some quarters there is little optimism that the workshop will see through the widespread deceptions in modern climate science, so the Heartland Institute has gone along to assist. It has articles and links on global warming and the workshop so you, too, can tell Pope Francis: Global warming is not a crisis!

Christopher Monckton is reported in the NCR giving His Holiness blunt advice:

“You demean the office that you hold and you demean the church whom it is your sworn duty to protect and defend and advance.”

“You will be kicking the poor in the teeth. Stand back and listen to both sides. And do not take sides in politics.”

The Cornwall Alliance has published an open letter to Pope Francis urging him to “carefully consider the scientific evidence regarding the real, not merely the theoretical, effects of human action on global climate.” As we know, the only indication of dangerous warming arises from untested theories that feedbacks will increase global warming but no such observations have yet been made. The Alliance is measured in its advice to His Holiness, but there’s no mistaking its meaning:

As world leaders contemplate a climate agreement, many look to you for guidance.

There has been a growing divergence between real-world temperature observations and model simulations. On average, models simulate more than twice the observed warming.

For now, wind and solar energy cannot effectively replace fossil fuel and nuclear energy.

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It will be interesting whether the Pope takes any of this on board, or as Dellingpole puts it: ‘Urgent Mission to Save The Pope From Clutches of ManBearPig’ Written by James Delingpole, Breitbart London on 27 April 2015. “Should the Pope stick to God or is it about time he embraced the fashionable cause of Gaia-worship?” http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/climate-scientists-head-to-rome-on-urgent-mission-to-save-the-pope-from-clutches-of-manbearpig.html Other articles at Climate Change Dispatch: ‘Francis Is Out of His Element’ Written by H. Sterling Burnett, American Spectator on 27 April 2015. http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/francis-is-out-of-his-element.html ‘A Message For Pope Francis’ [includes link to Cornwall Alliance letter] Written by Paul Driessen, guest post on 27 April 2015. http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/a-message-for-pope-francis.html ‘Global Warming? The Pope is Wrong’ Written by Alan Caruba, Warning Signs on 27 April 2015. Marc Morano of the think tank, CFACT. Says Morano, ‘Instead of entering into an invalid marriage with climate fear promoters—a marriage that is destined for an annulment—Pope Francis should administer last rites to the promotion of man-made climate fears and their so-called solutions. This unholy alliance must be prevented.” http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/global-warming-the-pope-is-wrong.html # # # Let’s not forget who it was that got in this Pope’s ear first: Pope Embraces False Prophets Of Doom – Why… Read more »

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GLOBAL CATHOLIC CLIMATE MOVEMENT The Universal Common Good: Our Common Home While it is anyone’s prudent guess at this point, on the likely umbrella or core messages within the Eco-encyclical expected in June or July 2015; Pope Francis has spoken on various occasions about the need for a radical new financial and economic system to avoid human inequality and ecological devastation. The threats that arise from global inequality and the destruction of the environment are interrelated; and they are the greatest threats we face as a human family today. At a Latin American and Asian peasants meeting in October 2014, Pope Francis said: “An economic system centred on the god of money needs to plunder nature to sustain the frenetic rhythm of consumption that is inherent to it. The monopolising of lands, deforestation, the appropriation of water, inadequate agro-toxics are some of the evils that tear man from the land of his birth.” The idea of a new economic order has long been the clarion call of the sustainability movement, but any true system change – means trade-offs and with win-lose outcomes there is no simple reform formula that will work for all… Read more »

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“carefully consider the scientific evidence regarding the real, not merely the theoretical, effects of human action on global climate.” A wonderful injunction.

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[Global Catholic Climate Movement] – “The real test will be how regulations will be enforced, which ultimately will mean significant government intervention and central planning. An idea that reeks of socialism to Neoliberals and climate deniers”

Well yes. But this is not the language of Christians. It is the language of hate and enforced Soviet-style socialism. They are not Christians in any biblical sense, they are Marxist imposters.

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[Global Catholic Climate Movement] – “governments must engage more directly with the private sector on investments and carbon markets and climate funds should work in conjunction with one another. (see World Bank 2010).” World Bank? You’ve GOT to be kidding! ‘World Bank Schemes Displace Millions of Victims’ Written by Alex Newman World Bank projects dealing with everything from “carbon credits” and “development policies” to crony capitalist “business” deals have forcibly evicted and ruined the livelihoods of millions of people around the world, according to an investigation into the globalist organization’s own documents. A comprehensive review of World Bank records by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and various media outlets revealed that close to 3.5 million of the planet’s poorest people, many of them already struggling just to survive, have been forced off their land and relocated as a direct consequence of policies and projects pursued by the government-backed global lender over the last 10 years. The real figures are probably even higher. More>>>>> http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/20704-world-bank-schemes-displace-millions-of-victims The World Bank disgusts me. For a (supposedly) Christian group to invoke their authority is the antithesis of “love thy neighbour as thyself” teaching in Leviticus 19… Read more »

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You are aware that Pope Francis has a master’s degree in chemistry? He’s more qualified to talk about atmospheric science than Monckton is. The last time Monckton spoke on the radio in NZ, he confused the chemical properties of CO2 with CH4.

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Richard C (NZ)

‘Vatican presses politicians on climate change’ By Roger Harrabin BBC environment analyst 8 hours ago The Vatican Science Academy has challenged politicians to end their “infatuation” with a form of economic growth that is ruining the Earth. The academy said that nations were measuring their wealth by GDP (Gross Domestic Product), taking no account of the harm caused by business practises. It urged countries to act as stewards of God’s creation. The statements are likely to influence the Pope’s coming Encyclical on climate change. An Cambridge Economics professor, Partha Dasgupta, told the academy’s climate conference in St Peter’s Basilica: “GDP is a disgraceful index because it does not count depreciation of our assets – including damage to Mother Nature, the most fundamental asset we have.” Cardinal Peter Turkson, who helped write the coming Encyclical – an official statement – said: “For humans to degrade the integrity of the Earth by constant changes in its climate; by stripping its natural forests; to contaminate Earth’s water, land and air with poisonous substances – all of these are sins. “There is an all-embracing imperative to protect our garden, our hope. We must move away from our… Read more »

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>”Pope Francis has a master’s degree in chemistry”

Whoop-de-doo.

Can he (i.e. is it a transferable skill if his chemistry covered thermodynamics as usual), and has he, applied that chemistry knowledge to the thermodynamic processes of the sun => ocean(+land) => atmosphere(+space) system Simon?

If so, how do you know?

After all anthropogenic global warming is about heat transfer. Period.

The IPCC climate scientists are clueless about planetary thermal lag and radiative heating effects on surface materials. Do you think the Pope can help them out on the strength of his master’s degree in chemistry Simon?

BTW, Lysenko was a biologist and agronomist eventually becoming director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR’s Academy of Sciences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

How did that turn out?

My point being that just having a specific qualification does not necessarily lead to the betterment of mankind just because the holder in in a position of power.

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The idiocy just keeps on coming. Two more examples: ‘More Fatal Earthquakes to Come, Warn Climate Change Scientists’ By Alex Renton The untold – and terrifying – story behind the earthquake that devastated Nepal last Saturday morning begins with something that sounds quite benign. It’s the ebb and flow of rainwater in the great river deltas of India and Bangladesh, and the pressure that puts on the grinding plates that make up the surface of the planet. Recently discovered, that causal factor is seen by a growing body of scientists as further proof that climate change can affect the underlying structure of the Earth. Because of this understanding, a series of life-threatening “extreme geological events” – earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunamis – is predicted by a group of eminent geologists and geophysicists including University College London’s Bill McGuire, professor emeritus of Geophysical and Climate Hazards. http://www.newsweek.com/nepal-earthquake-could-have-been-manmade-disaster-climate-change-brings-326017.html?piano_t=1 And, ‘Zimmerman rejects briefing by climate scientist’ by Jo Clifton Zimmerman (Austin, District 6 Council Member) said the sun is the greatest source of heat and that carbon dioxide does not cause global warming. “You don’t have to be as smart as a fifth-grader to know that the… Read more »

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>”If any Catholic wanted to ignore it they would need “very good reasons – based not on personal or political opinion, but on science” Well yes. Except contra scientific arguments to AGW are ignored, silenced, shut down, censored, they do not want to hear them, let alone engage in reasoned discussion with recourse to the fundamental physics and thermodynamic principles and laws supporting the contra argument Case in point: ‘Vatican Heavies Silence Climate Heretics at UN Papal Summit’ by James Delingpole VATICAN CITY – Papal heavies shut down an awkward question at a Vatican press conference today when a journalist asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon his views on climate sceptics. Marc Morano, covering the Vatican climate conference for Climate Depot, asked Ban Ki-Moon whether he had a message for the Heartland Institute delegation of scientists who have flown to Rome to urge the Pope to reconsider his ill-advised position climate change. But before he could finish the conference hosts interrupted to ask which organisation he worked for, then directed the microphone to a more tame questioner, while a security guard came over to mutter in Morano’s ear “You have to control yourself or… Read more »

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Simon, how do you reconcile your statement:

“Pope Francis has a master’s degree in chemistry? He’s more qualified to talk about atmospheric science than Monckton is”

With Ban Ki-moon’s,

“I don’t think faith leaders should be scientists”

You and Ban Ki-moon are at odds, which warmy opinion should we sceptics adopt?

Or are you both just blowing hot air?

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‘Draft of commie pope’s encyclical coming your way–wanna get sick?’ Posted on April 28, 2015 by john1282 I wonder if he will speak ex cathedra and claim infallibility on the issues of population, sustainability and economic inequality. Maybe this is the first encyclical ghost written by a commie? Or maybe the Pope is a commie. Oh, pardon me–he is a concerned progressive. Here, thanks to Joe Bast, is a sneak peak at the draft for the encyclical–note lots of contributors. Climate Change and The Common Good A Statement Of The Problem And The Demand For Transformative Solutions April 2015 The Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences Prepared By P. Dasgupta, V. Ramanathan, P. Raven, Mgr M. Sorondo, M. Archer, P. J. Crutzen, P. Lena, Y.T. Lee, M. J. Molina, M. Rees, J. Sachs, J. Schellnhuber, Mgr M. Sorondo* * Corresponding Authors. partha.dasgupta@econ.cam.ac.uk; vramanathan@ucsd.edu; Peter.Raven@mobot.org; marcelosanchez@acdscience.va DECLARATION Unsustainable consumption coupled with a record human population and the uses of inappropriate technologies are causally linked with the destruction of the world’s sustainability and resilience. Widening inequalities of wealth and income, the world-wide disruption of the physical climate system and the… Read more »

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>”More>>>>> (if you can stand it)” Just read: SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND HOW DID WE GET HERE? WHAT ARE THE CHANGES WE HAVE SEEN ALREADY? WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL SYSTEMS? THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT WHAT IF WE CONTINUE BUSINESS AS USUAL? SO HOW SHOULD SOCIETY RESPOND? WHAT ARE THE REQUIRED ECONOMIC REFORMS? THE BROADER CONTEXT OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDED MEASURES: CLIMATE MITIGATION RECOMMENDED MEASURES: BEYOND CLIMATE CHANGE A litany of fallacy, supposition, miss-attribution, false alarm, and thinly veiled Marxist ideology. For example, from THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT: “Incoming solar energy also varies on the decadal to century time scales. However, direct measurements of solar irradiance from satellites and surface stations, reveal that variations in solar energy on decadal to century time scales are about 0.3Wm-2 (Watts per square meter of earth’s surface area) which is about 10% of the 3 Wm-2 increase in infrared energy trapped by manmade greenhouse gases.” So much wrong with this it’s hard to know where to begin. But starting from the last element is as good as any. 1) IR absorbing and emitting gasses (“greenhouse” gasses) don’t “trap” energy. By that definition (absorbing and emitting), they absorb, thermalize, re-emit… Read more »

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Richard C (NZ)

‘Pope attacked by climate change sceptics’ Climate change sceptics claim Pope Francis is being fed false information by the UN as he prepares to release an encyclical on the dangers of global warming By Nick Squires, Rome. 10:33PM BST 28 Apr 2015 Climate change sceptics accused Pope Francis of being deeply ill-informed about global warming as the Vatican forged an alliance with the UN to tackle the issue. The Pope discussed climate change with Ban Ki-Moon, the UN Secretary-General, who then opened a one-day Vatican conference called “The Moral Dimensions of Climate Change and Sustainable Development”. The conference, hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, brought together around 60 Catholic leaders, economists and scientists. In a statement, participants said that “human-induced climate change is a scientific reality, and its decisive control is a moral imperative for all of humanity”. But a group of British and American sceptics said the Pope was being fed “mistaken” advice from the UN and that he should stick to speaking out on matters of morality and theology rather than getting involved in the climate change debate. That message was labelled as “extraordinarily dangerous” by campaigners on the other… Read more »

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Richard C (NZ)

‘The UN Parks its Tanks on St Peter’s Square’ Written by James Delingpole, Breitbart London on 28 April 2015. VATICAN CITY: “Religion and science are united on the need for action on climate,” declared UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon at a papal climate summit in the Vatican this morning. This statement is at best moot, at worst a risible and cynical inversion of the truth. But it does give us a pretty good idea of where the world’s most powerful bureaucracy stands on what it would like us to believe is the most important issue of the day: climate change is real – and what’s more even God now agrees. It’s far from the first time that Catholic church has been persuaded to take a position on what is and isn’t correct science. Generally it didn’t end well. We’re all familiar with the story of Galileo. Here’s a less well known example of a pope speaking out on science, this time Clement VII in the Papal Bull that opens the 1484 Malleus Malleficarum. In it, the Pope recognised the very serious threat posed to agriculture by witches: “It has indeed lately come to Our… Read more »

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‘Global Warming to replace Gospel at church’ Written by Judi McLeod, Canada Free Press on 28 April 2015. The New Green Religion of Global Warming/Climate Change is coming out of the closet to begin preaching from the pulpit. In the lib-left world timing is everything. Now that Christianity is being persecuted worldwide with the many slings and arrows sent its way flashing out in neon, it’s time for ‘sustainability’ to squeeze out Salvation at Sunday church services. “The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is spending $84,000 to study how churches can be used to combat climate change. (Washington Free Beacon, April 27, 2015) “A taxpayer-funded graduate fellowship at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor is examining 17 faith-based institutions that have implemented “sustainability initiatives” in the hopes of developing workshops to teach pastors and other religious leaders how to change the behaviors of their congregants. “Climate change—which affects traditional faith-based efforts to improve human health, mitigate poverty and redress social inequity—is inspiring religious organizations to advocate for clean air and water, restore ecosystems, and conserve resources,” a grant for the project, which began last fall, states. “This project seeks to understand the empirical… Read more »

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Here’s the actual statement and “demand”, Climate Change and The Common Good, in appropriate ecclesiastical fonts:

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2068632/climate-change-and-the-common-good.pdf

Demand?

Demand response – get lost.

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Tom Nelson ‏@tan123

After no warming for 18+ years, UN chief claims “Climate change is approaching much faster than one may think” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/world/europe/scientists-and-religious-leaders-discuss-climate-change-at-vatican.html

https://twitter.com/tan123/status/593206143159177218

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>”Hope that Pope can cope with climate dope” It’s much more than climate, as in this article: ‘Climate Realists Challenge UN at Vatican Global Warming Conference’ Written by William F. Jasper, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/20768-climate-realists-challenge-un-at-vatican-global-warming-conference Excerpt: Experts speaking at the Heartland conference included: • Elisabeth Yore, an international children’s rights attorney and expert witness in human trafficking; Attorney Elisabeth Yore, who has been an international children’s rights advocate for 30 years, called the UN-Vatican statement “preposterous” and “deceptive,” noting there’s no connection between climate change and human trafficking. “This declaration of an intrinsic connection, a nexus between climate change and human trafficking is on its face, preposterous, deceptive and infinitely damaging to the plight of victims of human trafficking around the world,” Yore said. “This fallacious statement links a real human crisis of modern slavery with a manufactured one of climate change.” Yore argued that trafficking is growing for other reasons, such as war and sex-selective abortions. “Abortion, not climate change, is fueling the industry of human slavery,” she said. Yore also blasted Columbia University professor and UN advisor Jeffrey Sachs, who is one of the guiding lights behind the UN-Vatican climate… Read more »

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Bishop Hill on the Vatican statement:

“One hardly knows where to start”

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/4/29/theres-the-science-and-theres-the-vatican-science.html

I know exactly what he means. I started with its contra-solar case upthread because it was just so obviously wrong, even then it was hard to know where to start:

“So much wrong with this it’s hard to know where to begin”

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‘Catholic Church Fooled by UN on Climate Change’ The upcoming encyclical letter from the Pope supports keeping the Third World in despair. by Tom Harris […] The Catholic Church is being grossly misled by the UN on these issues. The statement made by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to delegates on Tuesday, “that the science of climate change is deep, sound and not in doubt,” is utter nonsense. Leading climate experts have repeatedly told Mr. Ban this. For example, widely publicized open letters explaining where the UN is going wrong on the science were delivered directly to his office: Click here to see the 2012 letter sent to the secretary-general to coincide with the UN Climate Change Conference in Doha, Qatar. Click here to see the 2009 letter sent to coincide with the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. Click here to see the 2007 letter sent to coincide with the UN Climate Change Conference in Bali, Indonesia. The secretary-general did not even acknowledge receipt of the open letters, let alone address any of the scientists’ concerns. Read more: http://pjmedia.com/blog/catholic-church-fooled-by-un-on-climate-change/#ixzz3Z1mJ4ItY >”deep, sound and not in doubt”. Utter nonsense sums it up well. Ban Ki-moon… Read more »

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