ETS threatened by carbon price collapse

For those hoping our ETS will stem our emissions by requiring a price for them, the Greens have got it badly wrong.

The financiers won’t get rich, neither will the Earth become cool, because the price is collapsing here, too.

First Europe (two or three times!) and now New Zealand. When will the government refund all the extra we’ve been paying for petrol and power?

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11 Thoughts on “ETS threatened by carbon price collapse

  1. bulaman on 25/11/2011 at 3:07 pm said:

    Carbon indulgences have always been a smoke screen for the redistribution of wealth. The more worrying things is that this “Canary” will presage a wider economic collapse. This might make 1930 look like a beach picnic!

  2. PeterM on 25/11/2011 at 9:53 pm said:


    Carbon Waste from the Australian

    From the Herald
    Labour, however, is counting on a revenue stream – a cumulative $680 million over the next four years – to partially defray the cost of its tax policy.

    Climate Change Minister Nick Smith has said if re-elected National will slow down the expansion of the ETS, keep the NZ$25 a tonne price cap until 2015, but wait until 2014 before deciding whether the agricultural sector, which accounts for around half of the country’s carbon emissions, will be included in the ETS.

    • Clarence on 26/11/2011 at 12:34 pm said:

      The Labour Party’s “Fiscal Statement” says it would earn extra net revenue of $218 million per annum from the inclusion of the agriculture sector.

      Dragging this amount out of the returns to livestock farmers would trigger a round of foreclosures such as the country has never before experienced.

      In the last “bad year” (2008-9) aggregate after-tax profits for the entire livestock farming industry in New Zealand were $462 million.

    • Richard C (NZ) on 26/11/2011 at 9:27 am said:

      Interesting article Bulaman. I hadn’t come across this scam before (emphasized):-

      “…….scandals in the EU emissions trading scheme, including carbon permit theft, tax fraud, re-use of U.N. carbon credits and internet scams”

      Still, recycling is a green initiative – why not apply the concept to other green initiatives?

  3. Andy on 26/11/2011 at 9:02 am said:

    EURef also reports a similar story

    the eventual price expected to bottom out as low as €3, having already dropped to €5.26 for the December 2011 contract.

  4. Richard C (NZ) on 26/11/2011 at 9:32 am said:

    ETS carbon trading must be the only market in the world that operates with wholesale prices higher than retail prices.

    [Afterthought: except the odd IPO of course]

  5. Australis on 26/11/2011 at 12:26 pm said:

    “The Australian” ($) reports on Wednesday:

    “Swiss banking giant UBS says the European Union’s emission trading scheme has cost the continent’s consumers $287 billion for “almost zero impact” on cutting carbon emissions, and has warned that the EU’s carbon pricing market is on the verge of a collapse next year.

    “In a damning report to cients, UBS (a major carbon trader) says had the E210bn the scheme had cost consumers been used instead in a targeted approach to replace the EU’s dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43%..”

    Describing the ETS as having “limited benefits and embarassing consequences”, the report said there was fading political support for the scheme .. and it had provided windfall profits to market participants, paid for by electricity consumers.”

  6. PeterM on 27/11/2011 at 1:42 pm said:

    The stakes are growing increasingly high, with many experts calling for immediate action.”

    A carnival spirit filled Durban’s streets on Friday when scores of people took part in a parade to welcome climate change conference delegates. … Labour concedes defeat in New Zealand …

    Use your bicycle or skateboard to get to work monday!

    Who are the NZ delegates?

  7. QuentinF on 27/11/2011 at 6:11 pm said:

    I see the ecofascists got 13 seats hrrumf!

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