Climategate II – will the liars never learn?

Now it’s official.

There is no truth in the rumour that humanity is influencing the climate in any measurable way. The proof of that is that our world-leading climatologists don’t believe it.

They only say so in public, the dirty deceivers. Filthy liars, from Britain to America to New Zealand and even our own NIWA.

This deception has been exposed once already, yet they have persisted and built it up all over again. Calling them imbeciles gives honest morons a bad name. Will they never learn that misleading their electorate is not the way to prosper?

Incredible.

UPDATE 5:00 pm NZDT

Gratifying that the MSM are responding right away. Richard Black, at the BBC, takes a laid-back view, opting to invent exculpatory explanations for some of the incriminating-sounding statements.

Still, he essays some concern, too, suggesting: “UEA’s Prof Phil Jones may find some more phrases he wishes he hadn’t written.”

A Google search for “Climategate II” (with quote marks) already returns over 97,000 hits.

Yes, it’s going to be entertaining.


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Yeehah!!! I’m off to the supermarket to stock up on popcorn. This is fun.

Andy
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Andy

The FOIA2011.zip file can be downloaded using this bit torrent link

http://tinyurl.com/d7jxlt7

Alexander K
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Alexander K

Those that followed the original Climategate saga have been hoping that the leaker would do this. Makes me curious about how the flutterings and mutterings in the dovecotes of power and influence such as the various Royal Societies, august scientific bodies, etc are sounding. And I am grinning, just a little, but not incredibly hopeful the clueless MSM will pick up on it anytine soon.

Andy
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Andy

Oops, appears to be no working now

Andy
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Andy

The official mouthpiece of the RSNZ – the Science Media Centre, is in damage limitation mode
http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2011/11/23/futher-climate-research-emails-allegedy-released-experts-respond/

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

3791.txt date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:49:18 -0000 (GMT) from: “Tim Osborn” subject: RE: FW: FOI_08-50 ; EIR_08-01 to: “Jones Philip Prof” Hi Phil! re. your email to Dave Palmer [which he copied in his response to you and cc’d to me, Keith & Michael McGarvie, and which has hence already been multiply copied within the UEA system, and therefore will probably exist for a number of months and possibly years, and could be released under FOI if a request is made for it during that time!]… I assume that you didn’t delete any emails that David Holland has requested (because that would be illegal) but that instead his request merely prompted you to do a spring clean of various other emails that hadn’t been requested, as part of your regular routine of deleting old emails. If that is what you meant, then it might be a good idea to clarify your previous email to Dave Palmer, to avoid it being misunderstood. The way things seem to be going, I think it best if we discuss all FOI, EIR, Data Protection requests in person wherever possible, rather than via email. It’s such a… Read more »

Alexander K
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Alexander K

Andy, my grin has just widened – the thought of the NZRS casting Bob Ward in the role of an expert on anything apart from rapid typing is illuminating indeed.

Andy
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Andy

I’ve now got a copy of FOIA2011.zip which you can get from here

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ROCGBR37

but let me know if you want a copy from me

Andy
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Andy


date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:28:22 +1200
from: j.salinger@xxxx
subject: RE: Recent climate sceptic research and the journal Climate
to: “Michael E. Mann” , xxx, m.hulme@xxx, Barrie.Pittock@xxx, mann@xxx, Phil Jones

Dear All

Good to see some action – and I applaud your initiatives. As a
backgrounder I have attached various pieces that have been in the
NZ Herald which have either involved Chris de Freitas – or are his
‘opinions’. He publishes as ‘associate professor in geography’. The
NZ Herald is NZ’s largest daily metropolitan newspaper.

These will show you exactly where he is coming from – and our
attempts locally in New Zealand to rebut these.

Any actions you do that produce results would be greatly
appreciated here, and I will ensure that the appropriate sources get
to know!

Look forward to updates.

Regards to all

Jim

0332.txt

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

Pure activism – no science to see here, folks – move along.

Andy
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Andy

Andrew Bolt reports on the CSIRO connections in the emails
. The results as you present them suggest that many areas will have precipitation changes (particularly) which are small compared to natural variability, and therefore it does not matter.

[…..]

I would be very concerned if the material comes out under WWF auspices
in a way that can be interpreted as saying that “even a
greenie group like WWF” thinks large areas of the world will have negligible climate change

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_2_the_csiro_link

Andy
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Andy

Motl has some links where to download the files, plus a few choice quotes
http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/11/climategate-2011-foia.html

Australis
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Australis

It’s interesting that the CSIRO guy who wrote the email criticised by Andrew Bolt, Barrie Pittock, is also an addressee of Jim Salinger’s email calling for fire and brimstone to rain down on Chris De Freitas.

Pittock is very critical of Mike Hulme for resorting to ‘scientific’ error criteria, when the object is to make policy makers concerned. If science is the answer, it must have been the wrong question, he reckons.

But Jim apparently sees Hulme as a ‘Team’ member on the GetDeFreitas project.

Andy
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Andy

A searchable database of the 2011 emails is now available here:
http://foia2011.org/

bulaman
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bulaman

This is more important .

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL5E7MI18O20111118?sp=true

The collapse of the indulgence market starves the faceless unelected bureaucrats and shines sunlight on the uselessness of the whole sorry saga.

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

Thanks for the link, bulaman. I wonder what Nick Smith would have to say about this:

LONDON, Nov 18 (Reuters) – European Union carbon prices could shed some 70 percent from current levels, as the bloc struggles with a mounting debt crisis and a glut of supply in the carbon market is unlikely to disappear until 2025, analysts at UBS said.

The investment bank also said the EU emissions trading scheme (ETS), the 27-nation bloc’s main policy tool to fight global warming, “isn’t working” because carbon prices are “already too low to have any significant environmental impact.”

“We expect the recent carbon-price decline to escalate into a ‘crash’ as carbon market supply should double over the coming months,” UBS analysts wrote in a Thursday statement to clients.

Lisa G in NZ
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good post… let the sun shine on all the wee cockroaches in power and let them scurry away away away

Richard Treadgold
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You’re a little ray of sunshine, Lisa!
Thank you.

bulaman
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bulaman

The politician’s maintain their delusions in the UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065360/Expect-gas-price-rises-warns-Energy-Minister-Huhne-insists-government-pin-increase.html

Some one should remind them of the phrase “Arab Spring” translated to the English Landscape.

Andy
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Andy

Energy prices will increase but overall a family will pay less because they will use 1/3 less electricity, says energy minister Chris Huhne.

Delusional fool.

PeterM
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PeterM

Follow the money! The World Bank involvement is interesting. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/world-bank-global-warming-journals-and-cru/#more-51751

At home labour/greens want a stronger ETS lots of trees and no asset sales. Oh really!
http://keithwoodford.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/foreign-ownership-of-land/

Andy
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Andy

Delingpole has a good summary of some emails from Phil Jones, who it appears is “inept” at using Excel for plotting temperature data.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100119495/climategate-2-0-the-not-nice-and-clueless-phil-jones/

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

I’m all for “lots of trees” for erosion control, rainfall, animal shelter, fuel, building material, etc but not a phony mechanism to extract finance from the masses with which to plant them. Last night I watched the German BBC equivalent DWTW’s “Global 3000” on Central TV. The Germans are spreading the gospel of climate change all over the world and winning proselytes in the underdeveloped regions. Global 3000 reports projects that show how wonderfully green the Germans are (but doesn’t mention their partly coal driven industrial base – their car ads are on another programme) and highlights projects that they have been instrumental in, especially internationally. The whole presentation reflects the not-so-latent propensity of German desire for global domination one way or another and climate change is a conveniently stealthy vehicle for them to gain a foothold in other countries. The programme last night included a report of a reforestation project being carried out in a large swathe of ex Kenya farm land that had been locked up as a national park and reforested with the proceeds of carbon credits with the benefit that rains and wild animals have returned. Well duh, if… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

I think it’s the trend function in particular that he confessed to be inept with.

Although I’m sure I recall that he was recently able to extract a statistically significant rising trend over the last 15 years or so by ending the series at the last El Nino. So he must have developed a reasonable grasp of the function since.

Possibly his Excel skill level has increased since his widely disseminated Climategate I admission.

bulaman
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bulaman
NZClimate
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I have been searching the emails for New Zealand related content, and just posted this on my site.

http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2011/11/26/climategatte-2-salinger-puts-the-boot-into-de-freitas/

The email is from Jim Salinger. In the email, he proposes that journal editors write to the dean of University of Auckland with a clear intention to try to get a skeptic, de Freitas, sacked from the university. In another email, Michael Mann approves of the action……

Shocking stuff!

NZClimate
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Sorry, I forgot to mention. I have sent an email to the NZ Herald, challenging them to report on it…

NZClimate
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I have updated the story and pulled the emails into a narrative. First half is now available here:

http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/climategate-2-and-corruption-of-peer-review/

Hope it makes a better read…..

Ron
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Ron

Many thanks for your excellent account revealing the Team’s despicable behaviour. I hope it achieves wider attention. Chris de Freitas also deserves recognition for maintaining integrity and standing firm in the face of the disgraceful attacks.

NZClimate
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Thanks Ron. I have just been informed by Anthony Watts that he has posted on the story. I took a look at my site stats, and they are now rocketing, so the story will get some coverage. I have also had a comment from Steve McIntyre who says he is planning to do some more work on the story.

However, as a minor blogger, I am handing over the reins to those who can generate a bigger impact with the story. However, when I received Steve’s comment, I was working on the 2nd half of the story. I have published as far as I had got, and it may be interesting until Steve’s (undoubtedly better informed) version comes out. The link is below:

http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/climategate-2-and-corruption-of-peer-review-part-ii/

In short, the story is too big for a minor blog, and would have a better impact in one of the major blogs. At least I have made a small contribution…

Andy
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Andy

Good work. Steven Mosher also posted a link to your blog on Facebook, so expect more traffic!

By the way, I think you are being too humble here. Every blogger started as a “minor blogger”.

Richard Treadgold
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Yes, well done, my friend!

Andy
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Andy
Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Fudge for Dummies. ClimateGate FOIA grepper! – Email 636 Solution 1: fudge the issue. Just accept that we are Fast-trackers and can therefore get away with anything. [Hat tip: M. Hulme] Email 5175-Tom Wigley – 2004 In any simple global formula, there should be at least two clearly identifiable sources of uncertainty. One is the sensitivity (d(melt)/dT) and the other is the total available ice. In the TAR, the latter never comes into it in their analysis (i.e., the ‘derivation’ of the GSIC formula) — but my point is that it *does* come in by accident due to the quadratic fudge factor. The total volume range is 5-32cm, which is, at the very least, inconsistent with other material in the chapter (see below). 5cm is clearly utterly ridiculous. Email 5054, Colin Harpham, UEA, 2007 I will press on with trying to work out why the temperature needs a ‘fudge factor’ along with the poorer modelling for winter. Email 1461, Milind Kandlikar, 2004 With GCMs the issue is different. Tuning may be a way to fudge the physics. For example, understanding of clouds or aerosols is far from complete – so (ideally) researchers build… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

Looks like Hot Topic are on your case.
[They sure are: http://hot-topic.co.nz/put-it-there-pal/   – RT]

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

I’ve put a note under Mark’s latest “More Shabby Behaviour” post in case he’s not subscribed to comments here.

NZClimate
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And somebody has now posted this link in the comments section of the 2nd of the posts. However, I am not sure anyone will be convinced with this further attempt at smearing in the face of what the emails actually say. It might just help bring some more traffic to the post (and some of those arrivals will not have been exposed to skeptic argument), which is a good thing.

Andy
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Andy

@NZClimate. You won’t change any minds at “Hot Topic”. You have as much chance of converting a Muslim to Catholicism.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Great article by Anthony Cox at The Drum (surprisingly, as considerable Borax):-

Climategate 2: A consensus emerges

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3707172.html

Read about Tony Cox here:-

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/open-threads/climate/regions/australia/#comment-26245

Anthony Cox is a lawyer and secretary of The Climate Sceptics, he has degrees in law and climatology

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Ed Cook says that Trenberth “is extremely defensive and combative when ever criticized about anything because he figures that he is smarter than everyone else and virtually infallible”

ClimateGate FOIA grepper! – Email 2035

do know that Trenberth, [Dai’s] co-author, is extremely defensive and combative when ever criticized about anything because he figures that he is smarter than everyone else and virtually infallible. [Ed Cook]

Keith [Briffa] indicated that you discovered a computational error in Dai’s program that produced unusually extreme PDSI values in some cases. (Has Dai and that miserable prat Trenberth been told about this? As you might tell, I have genuine dislike for that arrogant Kiwi) [Ed Cook]

http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/12/ed-cook-says-that-trenberth-extremely.html

Andy
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Andy

@NZClimate
Your traffic should be going through the roof
Delingpole just linked to you

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100121659/climategate-2-0-junk-science-101-with-michael-mann/

Andy
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Andy

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