Lots of climate belief but no reason

For God’s sake tell us the EVIDENCE!

Belief, belief is everywhere,
Yet all the proof extinct;
A strong belief fierce binds us, now
Our minds no longer think.

With apologies to Samuel Taylor Coleridge
The Rime of the Ancient Mariner

Institutional global warming

Unshakeable belief in global warming is now permanently installed in our important (and many minor) institutions. For evidence of this, browse through recent newspapers and websites:

  • As denying climate change becomes impossible, fossil-fuel interests pivot to ‘carbon shaming.’ “It’s beyond not being able to deny the science,” says Michael Mann, atmospheric science professor at Pennsylvania State University. “It’s now a matter of having to deny reality.”
    Business Insider, August, 2021
  • The World Bank Group has a new  Climate Change Action Plan to guide its work over 5 years (2021-2025). The Action Plan aims to increase climate finance to reduce emissions, strengthen climate change adaptation, and align financial flows with the goals of the Paris Agreement.
    GHG reductions urgently needed … more natural disasters affected the poorest countries in the last decade than in the 1980s … tackling the climate crisis while meeting urgent development needs is the fundamental challenge of our time … trillions of US dollars required in developing countries every year through 2030 to build infrastructure … climate change and the degradation of ecosystems together will push the planet closer to irrevocable tipping points … ALIGN CLIMATE & DEVELOPMENT … PRIORITIZE KEY SYSTEMS TRANSITIONS … FINANCING TO SUPPORT THE TRANSITION.
    World Bank Group, 22 June, 2021
  • The EU have implemented the most climate policies … environmental and climate change policy experimentation over twenty-five years … considerable success in reducing pollution, decoupling emissions from economic growth and fostering global technological leadership … there is no single policy instrument that can reduce greenhouse gas emissions … the EU’s international climate policy, emissions trading system, energy and other economic sectors in the context of the 2015 UN Climate Change Conference in Paris.
    Directorate-General for Climate Action (European Commission), 2017
  • The UK government has once again failed to come forward with sufficient policies to meet the ambition of its climate goals, according to the Climate Change Committee (CCC).
    Carbon Brief, 24 June, 2021
  • To limit the most damaging impacts of climate change, we need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally and adapt to current and future changes in the climate. Change will involve a combination of new technologies, processes and human behaviour. Significant benefits include: Lower risks from climate change … supporting wider international efforts … healthy natural environment, increased green space, better air quality, less noise, more active travel and a shift to healthier diets … putting the UK at the forefront of new and expanding global markets … gaining competitive advantage … helping reduce future costs of emitting greenhouse gases.
    Climate Change Committee (UK), retrieved September, 2021
  • What climate change is and how it works. Climate is long-term weather records [they don’t tell you this]. Climate change is change in average weather, including changes to average temperatures, seasons, wind patterns and rainfall. The greenhouse gases we emit are changing the climate and our environment. Changes in the climate and environment are already being observed. Climate change is affecting our wellbeing. How greenhouse gas emissions contribute to climate change: Greenhouse gases (GHG) act like a blanket by retaining energy from the sun [physicists say this is wrong]. GHG are important for regulating the temperature on Earth. Human activities like burning fossil fuels, agriculture and cutting down trees increase the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. This causes more energy to be trapped by the Earth’s blanket [sic]. This extra energy is then absorbed by the oceans and raises sea temperatures and sea levels. Some energy is held in the atmosphere and makes our climate warmer. There are many different greenhouse gases. There is a single important greenhouse gas: water vapour [nobody tells you this; the rest are trivial].
    Ministry for the Environment (NZ), retrieved September, 2021
  • Past and present greenhouse gas emissions have committed the Earth to substantial climate change for the next century and beyond. As an island country reliant on primary production and tourism for much of its economic wealth, New Zealand is particularly vulnerable to the economic and environmental impacts of climate change. New Zealand must both adapt to changes in climate and contribute to a coordinated international response to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the atmosphere.
    Ministry for the Environment (NZ), retrieved September, 2021

Commentary

None of these authorities presents evidence for dangerous anthropogenic global warming (DAGW). On being asked, they will tell you, as they have told me, to read an Assessment Report (AR) from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). When you discover the huge size of these (the AR5 is some 1500 pages, AR6 reportedly 1300 pages) you might ask for a page number, as I did, though you’re unlikely to get one. But if you’re still keen to know the truth, as I was, you will ask the IPCC directly for evidence of DAGW. They will cite a portion of some AR. When you examine it, no matter how carefully (I assembled a team of scientists), you will discover no evidence amounting to proof that human activity causes dangerous global warming.

Never mind, for, after 30-odd years of political bickering, reasonable people have mostly given in to the strident bluster of climate activists because they’re tired of the noise. They simply accede to more and more outlandish, insane ideas to change the weather or extract energy from increasingly unlikely sources, calling them “renewable”—except for nuclear energy, the most efficient, undying source that we know.

Along with this, websites, radio, television, magazines, newspapers and social media bombard us with the message to fight climate change. Politicians, academics and journalists echo the same refrain. They should hear themselves! They would halt the incoming tide, for all the sense that makes. Fight the climate—fight the weather? We already fight the weather when it interferes with our activities or threatens our property, but even then we don’t entertain the idea of stopping the weather, we resist it. For should we somehow stop the weather, then what could replace it but more weather?

Without evidence that we cause rising temperatures then we need to do precisely nothing.

Always, before action we decide on the reason to act, but with climate change—the greatest challenge of  this generation—the reason has become the constant nagging.

What poppycock! What balderdash, blather and piffle!

Write me a comment below. Encourage us all to stand against this naked, undisguised insanity.

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25 Thoughts on “Lots of climate belief but no reason

  1. Mack on 03/09/2021 at 9:41 pm said:

    One amusing comment I’ve seen…
    We are now in the midst of new weather. I must say, I find the new weather to be much more exciting than the old weather, which, let’s face it, had grown to be very boring.

  2. “Past and present greenhouse gas emissions have committed the Earth to substantial climate change for the next century and beyond.” (Ministry of the Environment) There are a whole lot of assumptions that are taken as read here:
    – It is assumed that the “greenhouse gases” referred to are gases like CO2 and methane, when as you have pointed out the only ghg is water.
    – “Emissions” means of human origin, despite the fact that CO2 eg produced by human activity is a very small percentage (5%?) of the whole.
    – “Substantial climate change”, despite the fudged language, assumes runaway global warming. This hardly squares with what’s going on in the real world. Earlier this year Antarctica was experiencing temperatures of -81C (that’s MINUS 81), the second lowest since records began. This is an extreme, but most of the year Vostok shows temperatures of -40 to -60 . At the moment it reads “-56° Feels like -74°” – they must be getting that Wellington southerly …

    “As an island country reliant on primary production and tourism for much of its economic wealth, New Zealand is particularly vulnerable to the economic and environmental impacts of climate change.”
    Umm. The government is intent on destroying primary production in the name of “climate”, and tourism in the name of “covid” but with increasingly shrill calls for ordinary people to stop travelling because of climate change. Is the Ministry of Environment opposing these policies? Not likely.

    • Richard Treadgold on 07/09/2021 at 11:18 pm said:

      Hi Barbara,

      Thanks for dropping in, it’s great to see you here.

      It’s hard to argue with what you say. But it’s amazing how often we see the government or their bureaucrats contradicting themselves. As you point out, human emissions are a small proportion of the natural flux (I think actually less than the 5% you mention) yet we’re told to expect “substantial climate change” from that (our emissions obviously punch above their weight).

      Another contradiction is calling these emissions “carbon” which clearly denies physics itself, particularly when they lump in nitrous oxide (containing zero carbon) with those “carbon” emissions. How clever they are. Then of course we have the empty nod to our reliance on farming and tourism for our prosperity, though we know they don’t actually give a toss and will again demand that we reduce our output to save the climate.

      Well, this is a crisis and it is man-made.

  3. Geoff on 04/09/2021 at 11:11 am said:

    Weather is always changing, but weather is not ONLY temperature change. Weather includes changes in humidity, rainfall, snowfall, winds and storms, etc. at a location; and they can vary even overnight! Climate is a long-term average of those separate meteorological factors at a defined location. Hence climate is a mathematical average. It is an effect, not a cause! So Climate cannot cause anything as the media alleges! So because climate is a ‘maths term’ it does not exist as phenomena! We can see and experience the various weather phenomena … but we cannot ‘see’ Climate, ever! If it is an un-experienced ‘maths term’ it does not exist as a mechanism in a real world. Oops, sorry, Ministry of the Environment and the CCC! Back to school, eh!

    One degree rise in 100 years??? So what? Walk out from under a shady tree on a sunny day and it is instantly 5 to 10C higher. But the temperature goes UP 5C to 10C each morning and DOWN 5 – 10C each evening. Who dies from that? Is 1C just a Kerry effect?

    When I went to school, I found that the maxima of a set of variables may go up but we were taught to look also at the minima over the entire range too! In some cases the average or MEAN of the entire set may not change (or may even go down). So ‘averages’ or ‘means’ may not reveal their true influences or effects. I think we may have to review the ‘temperature going up in 100 years’ concept, simply because basic ‘science’ does not agree with that!

    Finally, less than 2% of the world had weather stations 100 years ago, and the thermometers were not so good, and certainly were not cross-correlated. Many locations had no weather stations at all! To make all that worse, 2/3 of the world is ocean and there were no measuring stations at all covering the main source of water evaporation! So IF the temperature actually did go up a minute 1C in 100 years, can we have any confidence in the ‘base reference value’? Sorry, Ministry of the Environment, and the CCC, IPCC, NIWA (and TV and other media)! Back to school, eh!

    • Richard Treadgold on 07/09/2021 at 11:25 pm said:

      Geoff,

      Welcome. Great to see you. Come in, sit yourself down.

      Crikey! You’ve described two slam dunks that each alone demolishes the climate crisis. But nobody in our bleedin’ government seems to have two brain cells to rub together. Give those two facts to the Reserve Bank and they’d give short shrift to any Minister wanting to borrow large to fight the climate. But not the MfE! They just nod, blinking slowly.

      No, I shouldn’t resort to such personal abuse. The Ministers, on the other hand, need a swift kick up the backside for their lack of thought.

      We should do another Zoom meeting. Ill try to call you Wednesday. Oh, tomorrow.

  4. Esra Dral on 04/09/2021 at 4:20 pm said:

    Unfortunately, there is no way that the powers that be will let this go. Climate change is the go to excuse to cover all aspects of modern government. From fleecing us with carbon taxes to covering gross incompetence, climate change is also the tool by which governments will control just about all aspects of our life in the future. There was no evidence when Maurice Strong started all this based on his sociopathic view that the human population should be no more than 1 billion. There was no evidence when Margaret Thatcher decided to dig a deep hole to bury the UK coal miners. All the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority could find to give here as a weapon to beat down the coal miners was a paper from 1896 by Svante Arrhenius where he postulated that carbon dioxide was the Earth’s temperature control knob. Good enough. Job done. No more proof needed.
    You can expect the whole narrative to ramp up even further now. It looks like the Earth has been gradually cooling since the 2016 El Nino peak and a number of credible scientific reports are pointing to a possible continuation of this trend for the next 30 years or so. That means organizations such as the IPCC will be even more desperate to push the warming message especially in the face of increasing evidence to the contrary. Just look a the NOAA declaration that July 2021 was the hottest month ever. This was in spite of NASA’s satellite record showing July to be around 0.5 degrees cooler than February 2016. But hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good scare story. But this one does smack of the same desperation as some other reports over the recent couple of years. I could easily write a long list of climate related claims along side the real evidence that shows they are all just downright lies. Just look at last night’s news report from the New York flooding and there was a throw away line where the reporter said that these extreme weather events had increased 50 fold over the last few years – due to climate change. A blatant lie if ever I heard one, but carefully placed to cause maximum effect (terror, anguish, fear) amongst the viewers.
    The main stream media, the UNIPCC, our government and our educational institutions do not need proof. Look at the University of Waikato, now offering a degree course on climate change. Really ???!!# 🙁 Can we ask for our money back please. You do not need proof when you have a whole generation convinced that, if they don’t die from Covid, climate change is going to get them. The whole premise is based on, “We don’t have to prove it because you can’t disprove it.” Yet, when presented with real evidence that does disprove the theory, all you get is denial and obfuscation. When your terms of reference are:

    Climate change = Natural variation in total solar irradiance + man’s activities

    it then becomes easy to “prove” man made climate change. As natural variation in total solar irradiance is, effectively zero, then the equation becomes:

    Climate change = Man’s activities

    Voila, QED, done deal. Now go away and leave us to screw you over for more money and more regulation on your life.

    It is about time to leave the climate websites and do something about this. We need to figure out a way to mount an effective opposition to the madness – the climate derangement syndrome. There is no point in discussing these points on the internet when the government and the mainstream media have the ears and eyes of the public. Journalists and TV news used to turn up in droves to report on the school strike for climate. If we had a rationalist strike for climate it would be ignored, unless a bunch of nutters like extinction rebellion turned up intent on causing trouble. You could place a very safe bet on who would be blamed for any ensuing problems – not extinction rebellion for sure. Anyone for a political party? The grown ups party for climate sanity? Now is not the time for sitting back, writing on a web site and doing nothing. It is time to act. Any ideas anyone before it is too late?

  5. Rickoshay on 04/09/2021 at 11:30 pm said:

    Its never too late to just turn the telly and radio off, and vote for someone else, the silent majority are still out there, still driving V8s and smoking ciggys, maybe some of them might notice the white sun (used to be yellow not so long ago) or maybe they might read a story about how Israel, the most vaccinated nation on earth has 80 to 90 percent hospitalizations from covid that are the fully vaccinated
    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/israel-doctor-kobi-haviv-95-of-seriously-ill-patients-are-vaccinated-fully-vaccinated-people-account-for-85-90-of-hospitalizations/
    the world turns and every dog gets his day, who knows maybe run away food inflation might bring a few truths home, rising interest rates may make that home a lot less secure and remember we vote with our wallets
    The banksters and there labor thugs are in for a major shock when the Ice age begins, there will be frozen electric car drivers littering the snow drifts, all with surprised looks on their frozen faces.

  6. Rickoshay on 04/09/2021 at 11:50 pm said:

    Comparison of the Climate Change and COVID Scams
    The clear conclusion is COVID-19 is a government-industry-media fraud that is infected with distorted “facts” and politics, just as in the climate-change fraud. – Ed Berry, PhD, Physics
    https://edberry.com/blog/polymontana/covid-19/the-best-covid-summary-on-the-internet/
    https://notrickszone.com/2021/09/03/bombshell-study-vaccine-protection-against-covid-infection-and-viral-load-vanishes-within-6-months/
    https://notrickszone.com/2021/09/02/ipcc-6th-climate-report-who-deleted-the-medieval-warm-period-tracks-lead-to-the-university-of-bern/
    Its all about control and money, control of you and stealing of your money
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/effective-covid-medications-like-ivermectin-suppressed-successful-treatments-cause-vaccines-lose-government-funding/
    anyone who says they are the only source of reliable information is lying to you

  7. Esra Dral on 05/09/2021 at 1:13 pm said:

    Hi Rick,
    I wish I had your faith in the masses. We have a system weighted towards a future of compliant, unthinking automatons. A younger generation so totally brain washed when it comes to climate change that they cannot even hold a rational discussion. You have a massive cohort of students who registered for their electorate as Auckland City Central by putting the University as their contact address. This was so they could vote in Chloe Swarbrick. When the average person in the street has never heard of climategate, or just dismisses it as a crank conspiracy theory. People telling me, boasting, that they have had the vaccine and that “anti – vaxxers” like me are putting lives at risk. I point out that I am not an anti-vaxxer, but that the Pfizer injection is not a vaccine. It is an experimental bio-chemical intervention in the normal cellular gene – protein pathway, a protein metabolism modifier, I just get dismissed as a crackpot. The government would not mass inject the population with an unproven drug. This vaccine may also turn out to be a population growth limiting measure. It would seem, according to some research, that there is a protein in the human placenta that is very similar to the Covid spike protein. By just having the spike to recognize, instead of the whole virus, it seems the bodies immune system may also see this protein in the placenta as a threat meaning that a pregnant woman’s own immune system may result in miscarriage.
    Yer average Joe public is not going to wake up. They are looking to Saint Jacinda of the Covid to lead them to the promised land. As for telling everyone that this government is the only source of the truth, George Orwell would be saying “I told you so, but you didn’t listen.” For people like Ms Ardern, 1984 is not a work of fiction, but a handbook for a political ideology.
    As for an ice age, it isn’t looking likely in this solar cycle. 25 is not the grand solar minimum predicted by some, although cycle 26 is looking more and more likely. That is unless the Beaufort Gyre lets go. If that stops and dumps all that cold fresh water in to the North Atlantic, we are all in for a cold spell.

    • Rickoshay on 06/09/2021 at 11:12 am said:

      Totally agree Esra, and who goes round the world pushing population control and mandatory vaccines, He who must not be named for fear of persecution, Him who members in the Italian parliament accused of crimes against humanity, he who sells mass Surveillance tec to governments, not to mention the pervy trips to Es Hell Island.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/02/19/bill-gates-warns-of-epidemic-that-will-kill-over-30-million-people/
      That pricks not alone, ever seen The Green peace executives arriving to Global events in their private jets, or U.N. officials mouthing platitudes to the masses while taking kick backs for charity donations to 3rd world country’s, at the same times as their peace keepers indulge in sex trafficking of under age children.
      The whole systems rotten from the top down, lies in the form of narratives are used every day to control the sheep and herd them towards a cliff and why?
      Its all about the money baby.
      Now you know why the Taliban hang T.V.s outside villages.

    • Rick on 07/09/2021 at 2:32 am said:

      Hi Esra,

      Sorry to take so long to reply to you, but I’ve been ultra-busy lately and the time-zone difference between NZ and the UK where I live hasn’t helped either. I’m not sure whether you meant to address your comment to me or were replying to Rickoshay instead, but thanks for addressing it to me anyway.

      You are right to suggest that I have great faith in the masses. I have much greater faith in them than I have in the cunning political animals who are engineering the current retrograde Orwellian revolution into being under the false pretences of saving the planet from man-made climate change, combating novel viruses, ‘building back better’, combating terrorism, fighting racism, etc., etc., etc..

      However, with every day that passes, these arrogant global elitists seem to be demonstrating, with ever-greater force, just how mad, incompetent and unfit to rule the planet they really are. All that their actions ever seem to produce are chaos and disaster on an ever-greater scale and the masses are noticing and becoming increasingly alarmed by it. Though whether enough people will become sufficiently aware and motivated in time to stop the globalists’ plan for totalitarian world domination from coming into full manifestation remains an open question, of course.

      I’m hearing a chorus of voices calling me to rise up and fight this ‘beast’ that Richard has said is already ‘at the door’, but I haven’t seen anyone say how they think we can fight it effectively. What’s the strategic plan? Just millions of people rising up and saying ‘Stop!’ isn’t going to stop it because the Beast isn’t listening to what we say and will just deploy its riot-troops and bring on the rubber-bullets, the pepper-spray and other hi-tech crowd-control devices, in answer to our protests. It would also disappear our leaders, cut off our internet access and freeze our bank accounts before rounding us all up and interning us in prison-camps before exterminating us as worthless, rebellious riffraff right away or working us to death in slave labour-camps first. Does anyone believe it wouldn’t do that when world-depopulation is one of its declared aims? I think it would welcome the opportunity!

      Before we can fight a war we need to become an army. An army is an organised, disciplined fighting force, which is quite different to a disorganised, undisciplined rabble and, let’s face it, that’s what we are right now – a mere rabble. We are nowhere near ready to go to war against the Beast.

  8. Ross on 07/09/2021 at 2:04 pm said:

    I think there is a strong momentum of solid mainstream science now working its way into the public arena. The only thing the climate alarmists have is the faulty models and some grossly misinterpreted radiative forcing claims.
    It will be interesting to see how the vested interests in climate alarmism try to extract themselves as more conclusive science continues to erode this weak platform of global warming nonsense. The big players like the UN/IPCC, greens, certain mainstream media organizations and political posers will take the biggest un-survivable hits. The ridicule and accountability of these organizations and people will be long lasting and unforgiving.
    https://iowaclimate.org/2021/01/17/the-ir-absorptive-characteristics-of-greenhouse-gases-david-coe/

  9. Esra Dral on 07/09/2021 at 7:00 pm said:

    Hi Rick and Ross,
    Rick, thanks for the reply. You are quite right, I was referring to Rickoshay, but being lazy (and in a hurry), I shortened the name. Interesting post though. As you say, it requires some thought on how to organize.
    Ross. I think you may be a little optimistic on the idea of the IPCC and greens etc giving up their hold on global warming. Just look at the latest pontifications. A study published in Science last Thursday – man made warming in the arctic leads to extreme cold in Europe and Asia. Nature World News – warming in the arctic caused the extreme cold in Texas. So global warming = global cooling. I always said this would happen. That is why the name became climate change instead of global warming. Absolute Orwellian doublethink. Let’s be honest, there are so many influential people at the IPCC, NOAA, NASA, the governments and the universities all with their snouts in the trough they aren’t going to let go of the cash cow.
    “It’s official. New Zealand just had its warmest winter ever.” “July 2021 (globally) was the warmest month on record.” “The latest flooding in Auckland is an indication of what is to come as climate change increases the frequency of these extreme weather events.” I truly hope you are correct but I don’t see any sign of the mainstream media doing anything other than pushing the narrative. We are still fully in the grip of climate change derangement syndrome.

    • Ross on 07/09/2021 at 7:34 pm said:

      Hi Esra,
      I think its just a time thing and I have no idea how much longer we will have to wait for the conclusion. The longer it takes the greater the collapse. As the general population experience unnecessary hardship in the name of climate alarmism they will embrace common sense science. The turnaround will be swift. Also contributing to the problem is weak political opposition to the currant government, national lost key support the day they co signed net zero. I was not a big fan of Trump but the day he told the UN to get stuffed he gained massive loyalty and support.

  10. Esra Dral on 07/09/2021 at 10:15 pm said:

    Hi Ross,
    That’s the thing about about climate and the UN. Their original mandate, that every member country of the UN signed up to was, “All climate change is man made. Any natural change is merely variation.” No New Zealand government is going to tell the UN to get stuffed. Certainly not Ms Ardern who is clearly looking for a cushy, well paid UN job once New Zealand votes her out. Not national, who wouldn’t have the guts or the brains. They still have the same brain washed type of senior science advisors. John Key had Sir Peter Gluckman, Saint Jacinda has Professor Dame Juliet Gerrard. Both of these are global warming terrorists and neither of whom, when asked, could provide proof of climate change. Both simply deferred to the UNIPCC. Unfortunately I know enough people who tell me that they are making the most of their personal freedoms whilst they can as, when push comes to shove, they are prepared to give it all up for the sake of the planet. They feel it is inevitable and are just waiting for the government to take control and show he way.

    • Ross on 08/09/2021 at 4:51 am said:

      Hi Esra,
      You are right, but I think the change will come from large 3rd world counties.

  11. Esra Dral on 08/09/2021 at 9:51 am said:

    Hi Ross,

    At the moment, I don’t think the third world has much of a voice on climate change anyway. China and India, as “developing” nations, have exemptions. They are forging ahead building new coal fired power stations (they have an exemption for something like 300 new coal fired plants between them). They are fine because they have enough money to finance these. Meantime, African nations are kept in power poverty because no one will lend them the money. Millions of people who could have reliable electric lighting and the same basic utilities that we take for granted, but no one will lend money to build coal of gas power stations. Literally thousands of people are dying prematurely due to smoke and particle inhalation because of cooking inside over open fires. China is building a road and rail network in to north Africa and buying up farm land. They know what is coming and are preparing for it by securing growing regions for crops to feed their people when the cold arrives. Meantime, the west is rushing headlong to power poverty from unreliable renewables, although I do see that the UK has fired up one of their old coal plants to meet expected demand. The UNIPCC at COP26 will declare yet another climate emergency. They know full well that the Earth is cooling and this is not the last chance to save the planet, but the last chance to save their vision of one world government. The last chance to save their expensive, worthless and ineffective organization as well as all their well paid jobs. I would predict COP26 will impose a whole raft of draconian measures, binding on all member states and then, as the world cools regardless, they can stand up an say “Look, we told you it would work. Now give us the power to rule the rest of your lives because we have proven to be your saviors. We will lead you to the promised land.” The way things are headed at the moment, if we take things to their end point based on current trends –

    The collapse of western civilization. No ability to manufacture and not even enough reliable energy to heat our homes, grow and transport food as the cold sets in. Mandated move of the population to comply with agenda 2030 where we will all live in dense housing project and apartments within a short walk or public transport ride to your place of work – that’s if you are lucky enough to have a job. Otherwise you will have to survive on a universal basic income. Apartment blocks already being built in Auckland with no car parks or on street parking!! Rural dwellers who are not part of the farming community will be forced to move to back into the cities to reduce overall energy demand and their mythical carbon footprint. We will become the new third world.

    China will move ahead based on ignoring UN mandates. No one will be in position to stop them as they will control most of the worlds manufacturing capacity and one of the few countries with a secure food supply. The UN’s global plans will be swept aside as China establishes global dominance. We already see them moving in to the Pacific and now they are flexing their military muscles over Taiwan. They have seen the US military machine being crippled by political correctness, woke politics and geriatric Joe. They now see the US as a joke that no longer has the might, the will or the leadership to stop them.

    India will reposition themselves as the world’s second manufacturing nation, some way behind China, but with reliable fossil fuel power generation and a massive population to mobilize.

    Africa will be the dark continent again, except for the areas under Chinese control.

    There will be no third world anymore as we will all be in the same boat. I don’t think it will happen in my life time – I hope – but the wheels are in motion.

  12. Rickoshay on 08/09/2021 at 10:33 am said:

    Can I get a Hallelujah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q
    Just the fact so many are aware of this massive con game is cause for hope, i wouldn’t advocate for an armed response if i was You U.K. unless you wanna end up as Julian’s cell mate, the best thing that can happen is letting these petty fascists run riot and impose their ever increasing Draconian measures, their ineptitude is on full display and will be their end.
    One needs only look to the US to see the collapse in support, people recognize stupidity when they see it, and its on full display in that unfortunate country that used to be Number ! Economically.
    Folks vote with their wallets and those have had a pounding thanks to fear mongering and general incompetence on full display from the W.H.O. The U.N. and associated governments, Covid Cindy is a One Trick pony and if shes not demonstrating her slavish compliance with dictates from on high, shes demonstrating her incompetence or trying to lie her way outta excepting any responsibility for any of her actions.
    Politicians like her are just window dressing for the real powers behind the throne, disposable patsy’s, easily cast aside when no longer useful, the real villains are not so obvious.
    Once again I say, Its all about The Money Baby.

  13. Andrew on 08/09/2021 at 3:50 pm said:

    Individually we probably won’t be able to influence the political thinking in NZ – goodness knows I have written many letters to the Greens, National & ACT to try and get them to think differently, but to no avail. Few, if any, of the mainstream papers will print letters to the Editor if one challenges the luddites!
    Although I notice that some of the Agricultural papers eg Farmers Weekly and Rural News are starting to print more articles about the methane issue, but these tend to be about slowing the process of reducing methane outputs rather than saying it has no effect on the climate – but it is a start! So yes it is difficult but if enough people send letters / opinion articles to these farming papers maybe they will get the message and make more of a noise. It is frustrating that the likes of Fed Farmers, DairyNZ etc who you would think understand the carbon cycle don’t seem to have much of an influence at parliament, but if we get them on board more formally it might make a difference – albeit small!

    I did suggest to Richard a while ago we set up regional contacts in NZ to maybe get together locally with ideas and then maybe meet up at a national level at conference to organise larger events, similar to what Groundswell did. Rather than re-invent the wheel maybe it is possible for all of the various splinter groups eg Groundswell, FARM (Facts about ruminant methane) to name a couple and Climate Conversation to get together at some sort of conference level to share ideas, thoughts on how best to get the message out there?
    I think it is a safe bet to say, it won’t be easy but supporting campaigns like FARM who have started the ball rolling with methane is a good start but they need help. https://farmemissions.co.nz/
    Please help by signing their petition if you haven’t already!

    I am reminded of the story of an old man walking along a beach after a storm that washed up millions of starfish, who would be destined to a slow death if not returned to the sea. The old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?”
    The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.”
    The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.”
    The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”

  14. Ross on 08/09/2021 at 7:41 pm said:

    I remember a saying my dad used often ” baffled by bullshit”. I think the average person is easily convinced of climate alarmism because it comes in a simple easy to follow narrative. To fact check some of this stuff takes a really good science knowledge, probably at least in physics, and some hours of time to trawl through science webs and comments. Arbitrarily I would say that maybe 1 or 2 people in a minimum of 500 would be capable or interested in doing this. Most just rely on the MSM. Also the alarmists are quick to control some of the more mainstream comments by using blog bullies who have science knowledge to quickly shut down anyone who may have a sensible opinion contrary to the alarmist narrative. These blog bullies dont last long on knowledgeable sites such as this. I really struggle with the science which is frustrating.
    To connect with the masses the technical details should be presented in the simplest indisputable fact based form that the farmer, builder, student etc can understand and use . The target should be the climate models and radiative C02 forcing. Once these pillars of BS crumble the alarmism and politics will be redundant.

  15. Esra Dral on 09/09/2021 at 7:15 am said:

    Hi Guys
    Another example of why the politicians will not give up on man made climate change. Geriatric Joe has completely miscalculated the Afghan withdrawal and the delta corona virus spread across the USA. He has made himself look like the senile old fart he undoubtedly is. So what made news headlines last night, the go too distraction from all other problems, the one “get out of jail free” card – geriatric Joe in New York telling people he will save them from climate change – the existential threat to us all. If politicians didn’t have climate change, they would have to make something up – oh, they did, man made climate terrorism.

  16. Ross on 09/09/2021 at 12:32 pm said:

    I think the Democrats are on a fast track to self destruction.

    • Esra Dral on 11/09/2021 at 4:43 pm said:

      Hi Ross,
      Fortunately, when a political party becomes as deranged as the Democrats, they generally implode in an orgy of self destruction and eating their own children. However, in a political poll taken about 4 years ago in the USA, around 60% of respondents under 25 years old would happily vote for a benevolent dictator, such is the education spin. About 2 years ago I read a leaked email from the Obama administration. I forget who it came from, but it was sent to John Podesta. He had been in the Clinton and the Obama administrations. The guts of the email was about how they had conspired to dumb down the American education system to produce future generations of uneducated masses that would be easy to control. However, they were showing a great deal of surprise that Hillary Clinton was not proving to be the shoe in they thought. They were convinced that they had produced the uneducated masses they desired, but they were definitely not compliant with the Democrats wishes and that this problem should be addressed immediately. No doubt by huge fraud at the next election.
      As H L Mencken once wrote:
      “On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
      As far as the science goes Allan Savory, South African Ecologist put it, “We are going to kill ourselves because of stupidity”. He was lamenting the fact that students went in to university as bright young people and came out with Masters Degrees or PHD’s, but completely brain dead. They were unable to observe and discuss in the real world and would not believe anything, even if they saw it with their own eyes, unless it was in a peer reviewed paper. All peer review actually means is that the paper had been read by a group of people who agree. So a peer reviewed paper from a couple of thousand years ago would have agreed that the Earth was flat and the centre of the universe. The unintended consequence is that really new, ground breaking science cannot be peer reviewed, so get buried. If you look at many major breakthroughs in science, they do not come from the centre but from the fringe. But because the centre then feels under threat, the breakthrough gets pushed to one side, because no one can peer review it. So we don’t get any further forward. A classic example is climate science.

  17. Esra Dral on 11/09/2021 at 7:52 pm said:

    Found the Allan Savory clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRyLn0i2lE

    Very insightful

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