Brexit polling as it happens

Early indications are the UK will leave the EU. But at 3:35 pm NZST it’s very close at 10,539,289 to leave and 10,066,155 to stay (difference 473,134). It could go either way.

UPDATE 4:15 pm NZST

Leave now 14,899,282 votes; Stay 13,905,623; difference: 993,659.

UPDATE 4:48 pm NZST

Leave now 16,285,959 votes; stay 15,154,925; difference: 1,131,034.

UPDATE 5:18 pm NZST

Leave now 16,992,701 votes; stay 15,812,943; difference: 1,179,758.
Leave must now win, and we await the final result.

 

THEY’RE OUT!!

Hurrah!

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Bookies are calling Brexit at 80% likely

It is absolutely nail biting stuff

Andy
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Andy

This will also have some implications for climate.
A large part of the climate gravy train is driven by the EU

Andy
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Andy

” 04:38: Remain on 11,944,720. Leave gets 12,751,576 votes. This is an 800K margin, going on 1 million. Dimbleby says there is no way “remain” can win. It looks as if we have reversed the decision of the 1975 referendum. We’re out. ”
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86115

This is absolutely massive

Andy
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Andy

I am British, and have been a Eurosceptic almost as long as I have been following the climate debate

This is an absolutely massive result. I am close to tears

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

‘The European Union: Government by Deception’ Birth of superstate: Frederick Forsyth on how UNELECTED Brussels bureaucrats SEIZED power [Day of the Jackal author Frederick Forsyth] There was nothing base or inhumane about Jean Monnet, the French intellectual now seen as the founding father of the dream, nor those who joined him: De Gasperi the Italian, Hallstein the German, Spaak the Belgian and Schumann the Frenchman. In 1945 they were all traumatised men. Each had seen the utter devastation of their native continent by war and after the second they swore to try for the rest of their lives to ensure nothing like it ever happened again. No one can fault that ambition. First Monnet analysed what had gone wrong and became obsessed by one single fact. The German people had actually voted the Austrian demagogue into the office of chancellor. What could he, Monnet, learn from this? What he learned stayed with him for the rest of his life and stays with us today in the EU. The continent of Europe, from western Ireland to the Russian border, from Norway’s North Cape to Malta’s Valletta harbour, must be unified into one huge superstate.… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

I had the misfortune of listening to RNZ with John Campbell in the car this evening

It was a wail-fest about how dreadful it was, and that the vote was swung by old people and xenophobia

There was not a single eurosceptic voice to be heard, to actually listen to the real reasons for Brexit

There are so many parallels with the climate issue. These guys just don’t get it. They live in an echo chamber of their own making, and don’t seem to realise that a political and cultural revolution is taking place that will make them and their cushy jobs irrelevant

Andy
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Andy

Needless to say the usual suspects are braying about “extreme right wing” elements at Hot Topic, with regard to Brexit

My comments remain in the moderation queue, though I like to remind them that Tony Benn, an old school UK socialist left winger, was a campaigner against the EU, as were many on the left today

It isn’t about left vs right.

In fact, the boundaries of politics are being redrawn right in front of us. It is a very exciting time, almost like the collapse of communism

It really is a very big deal, this Brexit thing

Andy
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Andy

David Cameron has quit.

Amazing. What a huge day.

Andy
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Andy

It is worth mentioning here, for those that don’t know, that Richard North (and his son Peter) have been some of the primary drivers for Brexit via the EUReferendum.com blog

They have formed the “Flexit” policy which I hear Whitehall are reading now

FYI Richard North has worked for the EU parliament. Also, he has stirred the climate pot with his exposure of Amazongate and other issues, some that intersect NZ (details on request)

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>”David Cameron has quit. Amazing. What a huge day.”

He had to, it was his political misjudgment or blunder might be a better word. He called for the referendum (“foolishly offered chance” as Frederick Forsyth puts it) and he thought he would win. He didn’t realize there were people in England living outside of London who would vote on it.

Brexit has set the ball rolling in other European countries now. A light is dawning.

Richard C (NZ)
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>”Brexit has set the ball rolling in other European countries now. A light is dawning.” Rexit spillover thermometer: key countries [Table] From – ‘An arrogant centralized EU is no longer sustainable’ by Luboš Motl Euroskeptics in many countries of the remaining EU27 have been greatly encouraged. A table [linked above] shows someone’s opinion about the most likely countries of EU27 that may leave after Britain. Czechia – with its Czexit that began to be called Czech-out only today (a word that sports journalists have used dozens of times before) – and Denmark are labeled as “code red”. Denmark is listed as “red” because a patriotic pro-people party DF has about 17% and may want to introduce its Danexit bill. Czechia is probably more red. The table only lists the Parliamentary (basically unreformed) communist party with its 15% and three UKIP-like parties with 3% each as the “drivers” (one of them is the Party of Free Citizens; its chairman Petr Mach, a member of the European Parliament whom I said “hi” on Sunday, said that he would be honored to lead the Czech-out campaign today). But this description is way too EU-optimistic. In reality,… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Should be – “[Brexit] spillover thermometer”

Andy
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Andy

The Press this morning is just dreadful. They basically dismiss 52% of the British public as racist bigots.

There is no political analysis at all. The “liberal elite” have signed their own death warrant. They simply don’t get it

Andy
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Andy

Thomas at HT is, as always, absolutely hilarious in his comments about Brexit

I’m still waiting for a single person in the NZ MSM to put the pro-Brexit case.

Or, perhaps, the new model is to assume that more than 50% of your potential customers are morons and wonder why no one buys your products anymore.

Because they are morons, obviously

>> You people are “literally Hitler”

Not a great marketing line

Andy
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Here we go.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/brexit-campaign-leadership-dominated-by-climate-sceptics/

Those evil climate deniers are behind Brexit

If this isn’t a sign of a global conspiracy, then I don’t know what is

Richard C (NZ)
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‘UN boss: Brexit would mean rewriting Paris Agreement on climate change’ 23 June 2016, source edie newsroom A vote for Brexit in tomorrow’s UK referendum on EU membership (23 June) would mean that the COP21 agreement would have to be rewritten, the executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change said on Wednesday (22 June) in Brussels. Christiana Figueres, one of the architects of the historic deal struck last December to limit warming to no more than two degrees above pre-industrial levels, said the international pact, “would require recalibration”. It is currently in the process of ratification. “From the point of view of the Paris Agreement, the UK is part of the EU and has put in its effort as part of the EU so anything that would change that would require a recalibration,” she said at a press conference. “In principle, it is actually, historically, we say, as humankind, we are moving towards larger and larger tents of collaboration […] rather than in the opposite way.” >>>> http://www.edie.net/news/16/UN-boss–Brexit-would-mean-rewriting-Paris-Agreement-on-climate-change/ # # # Heh, >”“In principle, it is actually, historically, we say, as humankind, we are…….” “We are” not in Britain apparently,… Read more »

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‘Thank you, America!’ By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley / 23 hours ago June 24, 2016 For my final broadcast to the nation on the eve of Britain’s Independence Day, the BBC asked me to imagine myself as one of the courtiers to whom Her Majesty had recently asked the question, “In one minute, give three reasons for your opinion on whether my United Kingdom should remain in or leave the European Union.” My three reasons for departure, in strict order of precedence, were Democracy, Democracy, and Democracy. For the so-called “European Parliament” is no Parliament. It is a mere duma. It lacks even the power to bring forward a bill, and the 28 faceless, unelected, omnipotent Kommissars – the official German name for the shadowy Commissioners who exercise the supreme lawmaking power that was once vested in our elected Parliament – have the power, under the Treaty of Maastricht, to meet behind closed doors to override in secret any decision of that “Parliament” at will, and even to issue “Commission Regulations” that bypass it altogether. Worse, the treaty that established the European Stability Pact gives its governing body of absolute bankers the power,… Read more »

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Its not over until the fat lady sings. Britain needs to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty

There is also talk of a second referendum. The EU are good like this, they did it to Ireland until they got the result they wanted on the Lisbon Treaty

The genie is out of the bottle though. The political elite are crapping themselves

Good riddance

Mike Jowsey
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Thoroughly agree. An historic moment. A victory for democracy.

Andy
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This is quite a good piece from Bryan Gould
http://www.bryangould.com/their-hysterical-reaction-tells-us-why-the-remainers-lost/

Gould is a former UK Labour MP, NZer and now an NZ academic.

It’s interesting to get the left eurosceptic view. I’ve thought this for a long time, that the Left have abandoned their core constituency.

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Richard North and colleagues have developed the exit plan for UK from EU and is entitled “Flexit”
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

Is is several hundred pages long; quite a remarkable piece of work for some unpaid bloggers

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Shub’s post on the Tweeting on the climate establishment about Brexit is interesting
https://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/climate-brexit-in-three-tweets/

I like his comment that “climate change” is a news headline parasite

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Why the British said no to Europe’ John Pilger, 26 Jun, 2016 […] Little of this social catastrophe is acknowledged in the bourgeois controlled media, notably the Oxbridge dominated BBC. During the referendum campaign, almost no insightful analysis was allowed to intrude upon the clichéd hysteria about “leaving Europe”, as if Britain was about to be towed in hostile currents somewhere north of Iceland. On the morning after the vote, a BBC radio reporter welcomed politicians to his studio as old chums. “Well,” he said to “Lord” Peter Mandelson, the disgraced architect of Blairism, “why do these people want it so badly?” The “these people” are the majority of Britons. The wealthy war criminal Tony Blair remains a hero of the Mandelson “European” class, though few will say so these days. The Guardian once described Blair as “mystical” and has been true to his “project” of rapacious war. The day after the vote, the columnist Martin Kettle offered a Brechtian solution to the misuse of democracy by the masses. “Now surely we can agree referendums are bad for Britain”, said the headline over his full-page piece. The “we” was unexplained but understood –… Read more »

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‘I walked from Liverpool to London. Brexit was no surprise’ Mike Carter Thatcherism devastated communities throughout industrial England that have never recovered. Their pain explains why people voted to leave in the EU referendum On 2 May this year, I set off to walk from Liverpool to London, a journey of 340 miles that would take me a month. I was walking in the footsteps of the People’s March for Jobs, a column of 300-odd unemployed men and women who, on the same day in 1981, exactly 35 years previously, had set off from the steps of St George’s Hall to walk to Trafalgar Square. In the two years after Margaret Thatcher had been elected, unemployment had gone from 1 to 3 million, as her policies laid waste to Britain’s manufacturing base. In 1981, we saw Rupert Murdoch buy the Times and Sunday Times. We witnessed inner-city riots, unprecedented in their scale and violence, in Liverpool and London. The formation of the SDP split the left. The Tories lost their first assault on the coal miners, capitulating over the closure of 23 pits. My father, Pete Carter, was one of those who organised… Read more »

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‘UK Will Emerge From Brexit Just Fine, It’s Europe That’s In Trouble (CNBC)’ Nevermind the Brexit, UK will emerge with a good trade deal Dr. Michael Ivanovitch | Monday, 27 Jun 2016 The British never wanted to be part of a German-dominated European federal super state. The exit from the EU will allow the U.K. to reclaim parts of national authority that its political elites ceded to unelected Brussels officials free of any meaningful democratic oversight. The scare-mongering about the end of the U.K. and the unraveling EU is meaningless. My guess is that the U.K. will do better that the unwieldy “union” of 27 countries whose leaders have yet to figure out where they are going. But let’s take a look at the U.K. first. The first good sign is that the leave leaders are behaving in the tradition of the British battle cry: “Keep Calm and Carry On.” They are watching the fury and the confusion in Berlin, Paris and Brussels. The leading voices in these capitals are screaming for an expeditious divorce as a swift and exemplary punishment (yes, to deter other would-be exit followers), because the Europe’s oldest parliamentary… Read more »

Mike Jowsey
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I like his comment that “climate change” is a news headline parasite

Love it. Must remember that next time someone suggests several headlines are evidence of CAGW.

Mike Jowsey
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Mike Jowsey

Catweazel’s comment is pdg:

Not only have the British frustrated the aims of an entirely undemocratic authoritarian regime effectively based in Berlin for the third time in a century – and for once without a shot being fired or a drop of blood spilt – but we are set fair to cause considerable, possibly irreparable damage to the Globalist agenda of de-industrialising the West in the cause of redistribution of wealth too.

All in all, not a bad day’s work on the 23rd of June!

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Grieve now if you must – but prepare for the great challenges ahead ‘ – Owen Jones

A working-class revolt has taken place, and frustration is spilling out in all sorts of directions. If Britain is to have a future, the escalating culture wars have to stop

“Millions of Britons feel that a metropolitan elite rules the roost which not only doesn’t understand their values and lives, but actively hates them. If Britain is to have a future, this escalating culture war has to be stopped.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/eu-referendum-working-class-revolt-grieve

H/t Andy at HT.

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London wealth is a mirage. fools gold. A glitter and bling culture to be enjoyed for a while by those immersed in it but there’s no substance. There’s a massive culture shock on the way I’m pickin’.

Mike Jowsey
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There’s a massive culture shock on the way I’m pickin’.

Has been building for decades. Historical stuff, like the Berlin Wall. And now the chaff and the wheat may separate. Maybe even the faceless unelected bureaucrats who drive the CAGW agenda will have other things to think about. Like, do they have a job for long?

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Greenspan Warns A Crisis Is Imminent, Urges A Return To The Gold Standard’

by Tyler Durden, Jun 28, 2016

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Of course, Greenspan ignores his own role in the creation of the boom-bust cycle which has doomed the world to series of ever more destructive bubbles and ultimately, hyperinflation which will likely be unlashed once the helicopter money inevitably arrives. In retrospect, the 90-year-old, who clearly is looking forward not backward, has a simple solution: the gold standard.

“If we went back on the gold standard and we adhered to the actual structure of the gold standard as it exited prior to 1913, we’d be fine. Remember that the period 1870 to 1913 was one of the most aggressive periods economically that we’ve had in the United States, and that was a golden period of the gold standard. I’m known as a gold bug and everyone laughs at me, but why do central banks own gold now?

Why indeed. And of course, that’s rhetorical.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/greenspan-warns-crisis-imminent-he-urges-return-gold-standard

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NOW he tells us?

NOW he states the obvious?

A bit late Alan.

Richard C (NZ)
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‘European Banks Crash To Worst 2-Day Loss Ever As Default Risk Soars’

by Tyler Durden, Jun 27, 2016

So much for George “Panic-Monger” Osborne’s calming statement this morning, European banks have collapsed this morning to close down between 20% and 30% since the Brexity vote. The last 2 days plunge in EU banks (down 23%) is the largest in history (double the size of Lehman) and pushes European bank equity market cap to its lowest (in USD terms) ever.

Worst.Drop.Ever…

[See graphs]
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/european-banks-crash-worst-2-day-loss-ever-default-risk-soars

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Brexit Is the Sum of China’s Fears’

By Christopher Balding, June 27, 2016

In voting to leave the European Union, the U.K. has confirmed many of the Chinese Communist Party’s worst fears about democracy. Now the question is whether Brexit will also impede its attempts at economic reform.

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-28/brexit-is-the-sum-of-china-s-fears

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Italy Eyes €40 Billion Bank Rescue As First Brexit Domino Falls’ By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, 27 June 2016 Italy is preparing a €40bn rescue of its financial system as bank shares collapse on the Milan bourse and the powerful after-shocks of Brexit shake European markets. An Italian government task force is watching events hour by hour, pledging all steps necessary to ensure the stability of the banks. “Italy will do everything necessary to reassure people,” said premier Matteo Renzi. “This is the moment of truth we have all been waiting for a long time. We just didn’t know it would be Brexit that set the elephant loose,” said a top Italian banker. The share price of banks crashed for a second trading day, with Intesa Sanpaolo off 12.5pc, and falls of 12pc for Banka MPS, 10.4pc for Mediobana, and 8pc for Unicredit. These lenders have lost a third of their value since Britain’s referendum. “When Britain sneezes, Italy catches a cold. It is the weakest link in the European chain,” said Lorenzo Codogno, former director-general of the Italian treasury and now at LC Macro Advisors. The country is the first serious casualty of Brexit… Read more »

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Richard C (NZ)

‘The Reaction to Brexit Is the Reason Brexit Happened’ If you believe there’s such a thing as “too much democracy,” you probably don’t believe in democracy at all By Matt Taibbi June 27, 2016 Were I British, I’d probably have voted to Remain. But it’s not hard to understand being pissed off at being subject to unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels. Nor is it hard to imagine the post-Brexit backlash confirming every suspicion you might have about the people who run the EU. Imagine having pundits and professors suggest you should have your voting rights curtailed because you voted Leave. Now imagine these same people are calling voters like you “children,” and castigating you for being insufficiently appreciative of, say, the joys of submitting to a European Supreme Court that claims primacy over the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights. The overall message in every case is the same: Let us handle things. But whatever, let’s assume that the Brexit voters, like Trump voters, are wrong, ignorant, dangerous and unjustified. Even stipulating to that, the reaction to both Brexit and Trump reveals a problem potentially more serious than either Brexit or the Trump… Read more »

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Taibbi, preceding quote above and snippet after: Because the vote was viewed as having been driven by the same racist passions that are fueling the campaign of Donald Trump, a wide swath of commentators suggested that democracy erred, and the vote should perhaps be canceled, for the Britons’ own good. Social media was filled with such calls. “Is it just me, or does #Brexit seem like a moment when the government should overrule a popular referendum?” wrote one typical commenter. On op-ed pages, there was a lot of the same. Harvard economics professor and chess grandmaster Kenneth Rogoff wrote a piece for the Boston Globe called “Britain’s democratic failure” in which he argued: “This isn’t democracy; it is Russian roulette for republics. A decision of enormous consequence… has been made without any appropriate checks and balances.” Rogoff then went on to do something that’s become popular in pundit circles these days: He pointed to the lessons of antiquity. Going back thousands of years, he said, Very Smart People have warned us about the dangers of allowing the rabble to make decisions. “Since ancient times,” he wrote, “philosophers have tried to devise systems to… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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‘Anger as EU parliament debates Brexit’ – RNZ

Belgian ex-Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt – “Finally we are going to get rid of the biggest waste in the EU budget, which we have paid for 17 years, your salary!” he told Mr Farage.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/307510/anger-as-eu-parliament-debates-brexit

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Goes for all the other EU salaries too, including Verhofstadt’s, except for the “finally we are going to get rid of” part.

Andy
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I recommend “Brexit the Movie” on Youtube (70 mins)

Apparently about 10,000 people in the EU get paid more than David Cameron. They get massive perks, their own shopping mall and their own tax rate.

MEPs just rubber stamp decisions made by civil servants. The have no power of veto

Basically, it’s an anti-democratic, corrupt, out of control political machine that sees itself as forming a European Superstate

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>”Apparently about 10,000 people in the EU get paid more than David Cameron. They get massive perks, their own shopping mall and their own tax rate. MEPs just rubber stamp decisions made by civil servants. The have no power of veto” Surely this got thinking Europeans thinking before Brexit? Or if they had not thought until now, this attention will get them thinking surely? If Fraurevoir gets going in France – look out! The French don’t hold back on burning issues. I talked to a women on this some time back. She had lived in Europe for a while and married a German. She thought Europeans all over were “more reserved” than Americans on just about everything, but mostly flaunting wealth. I didn’t say much but thought of the French Riviera, French farmer protests, 1968 student riots, French Revolution and such like. But look no further than La Marseillaise, the French National Anthem: Let’s go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny’s Bloody flag is raised! (repeat) In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit… Read more »

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President Of The European Parliament: ‘It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate’ Written by Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge. Monday June 27, 2016 If anyone needs another confirmation that the European Union is fundamentally the most anti-democratic entity currently in existence, then the following statement by European Parliament Martin Schultz should put all confusion to rest. Schulz: “The British have violated the rules. It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate”. Schulz: “The British have violated the rules. It is not the #EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate”. #TBC https://t.co/z0mujO09eG — TaleofTwoTreaties (@Taleof2Treaties) June 27, 2016 Confused: Here is what Deutsche Bank said earlier today: The shockwaves and consequences around Brexit will resonate for years. It’s probably an understatement to say that most in financial markets regret the UK’s decision to leave but we should respect the forces that have been pushing us towards what has always been an inevitable political accident sometime soon. I wasn’t sure whether the Brexit vote was the one but I was pretty convinced one was coming and this is probably not the last. Spain… Read more »

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Thomas is always good for a laugh. He says

“There is no longer a United Kingdom following the Brexit betrail by the bozon and his muppet:”

Ohhh Kaaay….

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>”Brexit betrail”

Should that read “bee trail”, as in a line of bees?

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“The EU is the sack the cats will fight in” From “Britain Can’t Stand On Its Own Two Legs” [and other nut-case opinions] – by Raúl Ilargi Meijer […] ‘Britain faces an uncertain future’. How awful is that? Still, I bet you, when next time it sounds even halfway convenient, uncertainty will get to mean ‘opportunity’. Oh, and don’t you, too, hate the implications of a word like ‘nervousness’, as in: “everyone’s nervous”? Well, unless one’s favorite musician or athlete talks about the ‘healthy nervousness‘ necessary to perform well. Much respected economist/writer Edward Harrison says on Twitter: “.. this is the part I HATE. We are, what, 5 days into this. No one knows how severe the Market reaction will be. It’s ludicrous..” And I’m like, chill, mate, why is it ludicrous that you can’t predict what ‘The Markets’ reaction to something, anything will be? If that’s something you HATE, maybe you should not be in the game, or in the kitchen for that matter. The markets are not supposed to be predictable, and when they are, it means someone is manipulating them, and someone else is paying for that predictability, and that… Read more »

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Articles featured at Debt Rattle today (all on one page linked below):

• 16 Reasons To Celebrate Brexit’s Win (Bandow)
• Brexit, a Step in the Right Direction (OTM)
• Brexit Pulls Central Bankers In Conflicting Directions (WSJ)
• When Central Planning Fails (ZH)
• Cameron Wins Brexit Breathing Space At Gloomy EU Summit (AFP)
• Draghi Wishes for a World Order Populists Will Love to Hate (BBG)
• Exposure Of Asian Economies To UK Banks Will Cause Sharp Slowdown (SCMP)
• Japan Inc.’s Yen Nightmare Looms at Large Exporters (BBG)
• Robot Lawyer Overturns 160,000 Parking Tickets In London And New York (G.)
• Oil Is Still Heading to $10 a Barrel (A. Gary Shilling)
• A Zombie Is A Terrible Thing To Behold (Jim Kunstler)
• Elites, ‘You’re Fired!’ (Dmitry Orlov)
• The World Is Rejecting Globalization (Bernie Sanders)
• Dutch PM Rutte Wants ‘Binding’ Assurances Over EU’s Ukraine Deal (R.)

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2016/06/debt-rattle-june-29-2016/

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This page is well worth a skim.

Andy
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Branson to move Virgin empire to Switzerland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019193/Sir-Richard-Branson-Virgin-Switzerland-blow-British-economy.html

This is the guy lecturing Brits to stay in the EU yet uses non-EU Switzerland as a tax haven.

Andy
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Epic rant from Paul Joseph Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_6sU7O43w

(NSFW )

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‘The MEPs clucked like a barn full of free-range hens: QUENTIN LETTS sees Nigel Farage outrage Brussels ‘

From Belgium to Westminster, what a mad, invigorating, double-take of a day. Plots, a putsch, a punch-up – and a visit from Hollywood actor Keanu Reeves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665082/The-MEPs-clucked-like-barn-free-range-hens-QUENTIN-LETTS-sees-Nigel-Farage-outrage-Brussels.html#newcomment

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I watched the European Parliament “debate” on El Jazeera – Farage, Shultz, Juncker, Le Pen. It was fun.

Andy
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Flexcit the Feature Movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GliFMIHiGog

1 hour 23 mins long.

Andy
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Andy

Peak stupid from Joe Romm

Wild claim from ‘Joltin Joe Romm’ at Think Progress: Global Warming Caused Brexit and the Rise of Trump

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/06/29/think-progress-global-warming-caused-brexit-and-the-rise-of-trump/

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

From #Frexit

The latest @Adamstoon1 #EUref cartoon…
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/746065037677170688

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>#EUref cartoon…That’s Junker with Merkel

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‘New EU president Jean-Claude Juncker to pocket £245,000 a year as Brussels’ top bureaucrat… and a £52,000 pension for life’

# Former Luxembourg PM to earn £1.8million in pay and perks over five years
# Juncker was appointed European Commission chief despite UK opposition
# Cameron admitted Juncker’s appointment leaves Britain closer to EU exit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2673902/New-EU-president-Jean-Claude-Juncker-pocket-245-000-year-52-000-pension-life.html

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Scroll down and you get to this guy:

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/29/1404035738931_wps_6_European_Council_Presiden.jpg

I find Van Rompuy the most detestably arrogant superstatist totalitarian diktater of the 3 EU “Presidents”. A control-freak megalomaniac elitist windbag – if you get my drift. I couldn’t stand being in the EU just by him alone.

The other EU “president” is Donald Tusk, President of the European Council.

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Farage’s barrage against Van Rumpuy is always worth seeing again..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY

“The charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low grade bank clerk”

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Correction: >The other EU “president” is [Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament].” And Tusk (Netherlands) took over from Van Rompuy (Belgium) as President of the European Council . From Wiki: President of the European Union (or President of Europe) does not exist. Nevertheless, the term is often misused to mean any of: President of the European Council (since 1 December 2014, Donald Tusk) [Poland] President of the European Commission (since 1 November 2014, Jean-Claude Juncker) [Luxembourg] President of the European Parliament (since 1 July 2014, Martin Schulz) [Germany] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Union Shultz is a German Socialist with an attitude not unlike Van Rompuy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Schulz Tusk’s political position “emphasizes strong support for a free market economy with minimal government interference and cooperative relationships with other EU members”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tusk Junker, well……. Controversies In early November 2014, just days after becoming head of the commission, Juncker was hit by media disclosures—derived from a document leak known as LuxLeaks—that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance. With the aid of the Luxembourg government, companies transferred tax liability for many billions of euros to Luxembourg, where the income was taxed at… Read more »

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Correction again (sigh):

“And Tusk ([Poland]) took over from Van Rompuy (Belgium) as President of the European Council”

Netherlands holds the Presidency of the Council of the European Union since 1 January 2016. President and Presidency are two different entities (weird, I know):

Presidency of the Council of the European Union – Not to be confused with President of the European Council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

Gee, how did I get confused by that?

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>”Farage’s barrage against Van [Rompuy]” Farage – who is challenging the Speaker of the Commons, John Bercow, in Buckingham at the general election – declared: “We were told that when we had a president, we’d see a giant global political figure, a man who would be the political leader for 500 million people, the man that would represent all of us on the world stage, the man whose job was so important that of course you’re paid more than President [Barack] Obama.” He continued: “Well, I’m afraid what we got was you … I don’t want to be rude but, really, you have the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk and the question I want to ask is: ‘Who are you? I’d never heard of you. Nobody in Europe had ever heard of you.'” Farage went on: “I can speak on behalf of the majority of British people in saying that we don’t know you, we don’t want you, and the sooner you are put out to grass, the better.” The former Ukip leader told Van Rompuy: “I have no doubt that your intention is to… Read more »

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Herr Thomas of Hot Topic is the human incarnation of a Trabant car
His ponderous comments get more ludicrous each time, like some civil servant from East Germany

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What I find interesting about faux Liberals is their complete lack of interest in opening their minds to any area outside their bubble of dogma

They create this idea that “Brexit” was formed by a bunch of far right nationalists, when actually there are quite a lot on the left that want out too, not to mention business people, entrepreneurs, actors etc.

Then they claim that “climate change” is something to do with this

30-40 years of indoctrination is hard to undo

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Andy So much more overlap than what your faux Liberals see as well defined camps. I don’t think they will ever get to grips with that or even try to. I find myself agreeing with viewpoints on Brexit (and the wider EU issues) from camps that I would not ordinarily agree with. It’s impossible to define other than Leave and Remain because there are so many reasons why people actually voted the way they did. But it comes down to democratic control in the end I think, on the part of Leave that is. I might be over simplistic but seems to me that’s it. It’s Scotland that bewilders me. I have Scottish roots and know its history but I really struggle to understand modern Scotland. They seem to have swallowed the Green Agenda and EU Superstatism wholesale. I see the EU flag being waved instead of the St Andrew’s Cross. I’ve talked to a Scots hardman about this and he thinks I’m seeing it wrong. He says the Scots are just taking the opportunity to get back at England because they were told by England that Scotland would not be part of… Read more »

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‘Poland calls for Juncker to QUIT as other nations fume that EU has too much power’

BREXIT fever is spreading across the Union as other member states call for the powers of the EU commission to be reined in – and for Jean Claude Juncker to stand down.

By Zoie O’Brien PUBLISHED: 19:25, Tue, Jun 28, 2016

Visegrad group countries are calling for the EU Commission’s powers to be curbed. After Britain’s shock vote to quit the EU, remaining countries are looking for better deals for themselves, and ordering the union to learn from its mistakes or face further calls for a total break up.

Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and the Czech Republic called on Tuesday for the powers of the European Commission to be curbed with Warsaw calling for the dismissal of Mr Juncker, the executive’s head.

Last week’s referendum alarmed governments in the former communist eastern region of the EU who had seen London as their main eurosceptic ally in efforts to reduce centralised control from Brussels.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/684278/Poland-Jean-Claude-Juncker-QUIT-nations-fume-EU-power-Brexit

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Scotland bewilders me too. I usually go there twice a year for work. Politics there has become very toxic and the SNP can be blamed for much of this.

I’m pretty sure it is driven by hatred of the English, “Tory English” in particular.

This kind of intersectional politics is becoming all too common these days and politicians from Obama downwards are fuelling it.

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New dating app launched to make sure you never have to kiss a “leave” voter

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/06/29/dating-app-for-remain-voters-launched/

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I copy this from a FB friend in Vancouver. Just to show how tragic our world has become

Gosh it’s tough to live outside the MSM bubble in Vancouver. First I was kicked out of a dog training group because my climate skepticism was an affront to their ‘moral values’ (saving the planet), and now I’m a persona non grata with an exercise group because I am a Brexiteer…and obviously therefore a racist zenophobe who is probably also a right wing national extremist. (Oh, and I didn’t join in on the Trump-bashing like a normal person would, another dead give away). Sigh! It’s lonely out here in the non-MSM ‘real’ world…thank heavens I have virtual FB friends!

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Slovakia have just taken over the EU Presidency from Netherlands. They are one of the countries calling for the powers of the European Commission to be curbed

Hard to keep up with the EU revolving door.

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This is another good article from someone on the Left that wants Brexit
http://politicalcritique.org/world/uk/2016/fox-i-am-on-the-left-and-i-want-to-exit/

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Herr Thomas of Hot Topic writes

‘Tomorrow’ they will want to hang Seitz, Singer, and the whole entourage of populist and fossil fuel industry-funded science deniers,

Keeping up family traditions I guess, like suggesting people like me be sent to camps for some unknown fate.

It’s really great to know we have friends like this in NZ

Come round for a BBQ sometime?

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There are marches in London against democracy.

These protesters are trying to get the referendum annulled so that they can stay in the anti-democratic EU

Young people are verbally attacking old people, claiming that they have “stolen their future”, the same “young people” of whom 70% didn’t bother to vote.

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Keeping on the “old people” subject, there seems to be quite a lot of this open bigotry displayed in the NZ MSM

Yesterday’s Sunday Star Times had a dreadful piece about “intergenerational theft” from the baby boomers.

Somehow, leaving the EU is depriving young people a future. I’m not quite sure what future they are referring to. Perhaps the huge youth unemployment in Spain, or the austerity measures in Greece

I’m not sure if Swiss and Norwegian youth feel that their future has been destroyed by not being in the EU

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“It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses
The Brexit has laid bare the political schism of our time. It’s not about the left vs. the right; it’s about the sane vs. the mindlessly angry. ”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/28/its-time-for-the-elites-to-rise-up-against-ignorant-masses-trump-2016-brexit/

If the “elites” are calling for an uprising against the untermenschen, then the gloves really are off.

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>”the Ignorant Masses”

James Traub – “It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them”

Yes, like this:

Gulag

Forced labor as a “method of reeducation” was applied in Solovki prison camp as early as from 1920s,[28] based on Trotsky’s experiments with forced labor camps for Czech war prisoners from 1918 and his proposals to introduce “compulsory labor service” voiced in Terrorism and Communism.

The Gulag institution was closed by the MVD order No 020 of January 25, 1960[33] but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36[68] until 1987 when it was closed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

1987 is not that long ago.

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EU: Going … Going … Gone, by Pater Tenebrarum • July 1, 2016

Charlemagne – the first medieval central planner, who at the synod of Aachen in AD 789 and at the Council of Nijmegen in AD 806 introduced a “usury ban”, price controls, and a “ban on speculation”. In short, as soon as a new central power arose in Europe, it was all over with leaving people alone to do their thing in peace. If Europeans want to have free trade, do they really need a bureaucratic Leviathan in Brussels regulating every nook and cranny of their lives? No. All they need is the back of a napkin, on which they could write: “Henceforth, there will be no more tariffs between us” – and then shake hands on it. Alas, they probably won’t sleep as well anymore. Brussels has ensured that Europe’s citizens all sleep like babies: There are 109 EU regulations concerning pillows, 5 EU regulations concerning pillow cases, and 50 EU laws regulating duvets and sheets.

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/going-going-gone-the-eu-begins-to-splinter/

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>”There are marches in London against democracy. These protesters are trying to get the referendum annulled so that they can stay in the anti-democratic EU” I wonder if they have any clue as to the EU undercurrents? This one for example: ‘Brexit and the Derivatives Time Bomb’ by Ellen Brown, an attorney, Founder of the Public Banking Institute, and author of twelve books including the best-selling Web of Debt. Sovereign debt – the debt of national governments – has ballooned from $80 trillion to $100 trillion just since 2008. Squeezed governments have been driven to radical austerity measures, privatizing public assets, slashing public services, and downsizing work forces in a futile attempt to balance national budgets. But the debt overhang just continues to grow. Austerity has been pushed to the limit and hasn’t worked. But default or renegotiating the debt seems to be off the table. Why? According to a June 25th article by Graham Summers on ZeroHedge: . . . EVERY move the Central Banks have made post-2009 has been aimed at avoiding debt restructuring or defaults in the bond markets. Why does Greece, a country that represents less than 2% of… Read more »

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Seeing the 30,000 or so people in London protesting against the mandate of the people, waving a flag of a foreign power, doesn’t exactly fill me with joy

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>”2) European “ideological purity” will just end in a self-inflicted Death by a Thousand Cuts.”

A variation on that theme:

‘The beauty beneath Brexit’s bedwetting’ – by Irvine Welsh

“Remain’s leaders would have kept us straitjacketed into the EU’s current death-by-a-thousand-cuts version of corporate neoliberalism.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/beauty-beneath-brexit-bedwetting-leave-vote-diversity-genuine-change

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