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Greenpeace vandalism on an irreplaceable treasure

 

Eco-nazis show their true colours

Greenpeace have brazenly damaged a timeless treasure in Peru by stamping all over the ground and installing a garish activist slogan. – h/t Andy

Their self-granted licence to trample the environment and the law around the world has been curbed in Russia, New Zealand and now, and hopefully more forcefully, Peru.

Self-aggrandising ego-mongers.

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Meanwhile, in Peru, NZ has been ranked “just above China” (at 43rd out of 58 countries) for climate change issues
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-zealand-rated-poor-in-climate-change-report-ranked-just-above-china-6198022

I guess we aren’t giving them enough money.

Mike+Haseler+(Scottish+Sceptic)
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And what they were potentially destroying is a one of a kind that cannot be replaced.

Andy
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Andy

If you look at the analysis, there is a weighted mean for various categories. About 10% goes to “policy” for example, as does rollout of new renewables

So if we are not rolling out new windfarms (because electricity demand is not increasing and they cost too much) then we get penalised.
We also get penalised for having weak policy, (presumably a weak ETS and no Kyoto).

However, Germany does well, with its rapid expansion of coal and lignite power stations.

Pay the piper, get a good ranking.

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The destruction by the Green Taliban of a even a tiny part of an ancient relic of an ancient civilisation in the name of ‘saving the earth’ is unpardonable. It was not carelessness, it was absolute bloody-minded arrogance The article in the Horrid outlining our environmental sins is nonsense on a stick and makes clear that if we don’t pay the UN climate scammers enough, they will be nasty to us. But I am heartened to read in today’s issue of WUWT that the US Congress has blocked the payment of the US$3 billion that Obama promised the UN in his ridiculously one-sided deal with China re emissions. It’s quite obvious the NZ government is willing to go along with this rubbish despite the obvious con. It becomes clearer with each the day ‘the pause’ continues that CO2 has no causal relationship with global temps; the wheels have not only fallen off the climate models, the warmist organisation known as the Royal Society has gone into full-bullshit mode with the publication of it’s wee book of fallacy and obfuscation designed to shut down questions from rational people who have active and enquiring minds.

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Also worth mentioning on this thread are the very slightly rude comments from Prof J Curry and the estimiable Mr Macintyre (of Climate Audit) about the tendency of Prof Jones (of Climategate fame) to ‘creep’ up the warming by tiny amounts in his continual adjustment to ‘his’ records. Very naughty behaviour, I would have thought. When I was a schoolby, it was considered very bad form to rewrite history, but perhaps PostModern science allows that sort of thing.
But what would I know, not being a climate pscientist.

HemiMcK
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That picture is so offensive,

RT could you please cross out renewable and replace it with NOT.

Richard C (NZ)
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>”But I am heartened to read in today’s issue of WUWT that the US Congress has blocked the payment of the US$3 billion that Obama promised the UN in his ridiculously one-sided deal with China re emissions.” A poke in the eye for Obama. These caught my eye: Second week COP ritual: Hopes for Lima climate conference unravel. As thousands of people took part in a colourful march through the centre of Lima demanding action to “save Mother Earth”, ministers and delegates from more than 190 countries were struggling to salvage the UN climate conference here. Earlier optimism about a successful conclusion this weekend is unravelling as the text being negotiated has “ballooned” out of control, with more and more amendments tabled by countries and blocs seeking to have their points of view reinforced. Miguel Arias Canete, the new European climate action and energy commissioner, conceded that “not a single paragraph has been agreed” in a text that had grown to 100 pages or more, making it “very difficult for ministers to reach agreement”. –Frank McDonald, The Irish Times, 11 December 2014 Second week COP ritual: For a sense of the frustrating tenor… Read more »

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The arrogance of greenpeace to think they can do as they please for their cause. They are right up there with the Taleban who took upon themselves to destroy heritage sites.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Then,

[The Guardian] – “The talks – scheduled to end at noon local time on Friday after 10 full days – are intended to provide a clear blueprint for a global agreement to find climate change by the end of next year.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/12/friday-funny-best-grauniad-typo-ever/

Now,

[The Guardian] – “The talks – scheduled to end at noon local time on Friday after 10 full days – are intended to provide a clear blueprint for a global agreement to fight climate change by the end of next year.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/dec/11/lima-climate-talks-fail-agreement-single-paragraph-deal

Andy
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Andy

Greenpeace NZ also nailed the Statoil NZ office door shut this week. http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/greenpeace-blocks-entrance-to-statoil-in-wellington-2014121008#axzz3LkTz2XFs

Apparently, according to GP,

Evidence from marine scientists around the world suggests that seismic testing, which involves a ship firing off repeated underwater sound blasts 24/7, is bad for whales and dolphins

You can fill in the blanks….

Andy
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Andy

Actually, damaging an area that is sacred or of natural beauty and of value to people is entirely consistent with the future is renewable” message

Take, for example, the proposed 67 turbine development near Loch Ness in Scotland.The industrial wind facility will be the same areal extent of the city of Inverness. It will be built on a fragile Eco system of peat bogs that are a natural CO2 sink, and which will gets released into the atmosphere when the wind farm is built.This a,one with the other wind farms planned for the area will be visible from many Scottish tops and National Parks. The stone and concrete required will be about 5 times that the Berlin Wall required.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/9983185/Salmond-asked-to-stop-huge-wind-farm-above-Loch-Ness.html

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Wind. Woo hoo – let’s go off topic with a comment in turn off topic too: TonyfromOz #31.1 December 13, 2014 at 1:04 pm · Reply I just want to show you just how utterly laughable this whole thing is about the money being donated to this UN climate fund. “By midweek, a little over $10bn had been raised for a green climate fund, intended to help poor countries invest in clean energy technology.” Let’s pretend for just one fleeting second that in the infinite altruism of the UNFCCC that this whole $10 Billion goes toward the actual construction of renewable power, and that there will be no graft and corruption in the Countries on the receiving end of all that lovely free money. This total of $10 Billion will construct FIVE large scale wind plants, each of 500MW with around 200 wind towers at each plant. So, here we a total of 2500MW in Nameplate. This will increase the total wind power generation versus total World Generation from all sources from: 2.17% to 2.19% If it wasn’t so seemingly serious, you’d just have to laugh. Incidentally, the same power delivered from this… Read more »

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>”2500MW in Nameplate” wow. ‘Hinkley Point C nuclear power station’ Hinkley Point C nuclear power station is a project to construct a 3,200 MW two reactor nuclear power station in Somerset, England. Construction cost £24.5bn Strike price = £92.50/MWh In October 2013, the government announced that it had approved subsidized feed-in prices for the electricity production of Hinkley Point C.,[2] with the plant scheduled to be completed in 2023 and remain operational for 60 years. A protest group, Stop Hinkley, was formed to campaign for the closure of Hinkley Point B and oppose any expansion at the Hinkley Point site. In October 2011, more than 200 protesters blockaded the site. In December 2013, the European Commission opened an investigation to assess whether the project breaks state-aid rules [7][8] with reports suggesting the government’s plan may well constitute illegal state aid.[9][10][11] On 22 September 2014, news leaked that “discussions with the UK authorities have led to an agreement. On this basis, vice-president Almunia will propose to the college of commissioners to take a positive decision in this case. In principle a decision should be taken within this mandate” with a final decision expected in… Read more »

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JoNova troll update. Troll Silly Filly, known universally as Stupid Horse, has now been dubbed Dopey Donkey by the Griss.

Richard+C+(NZ)
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Richard+C+(NZ)

[Telegraph] – “Stronelairg is one of six wind farms either built or proposed on the west side of Loch Ness”

Stronelairg wind farm:
67 turbines
Installed capacity of approximately 240MW

http://sse.com/whatwedo/ourprojectsandassets/renewables/Stronelairg/

[Telegraph again] – “the proposed project [Stronelairg] was massive, covering an area around the size of Inverness, with 443ft turbines that could be seen from the national park and from many of Scotland’s mountain tops.”

So if this one of six proposed wind farms on the west side of Loch Ness creates this much contentiousness for 240MW, what about the other five?

If the Stronelairg layout is anything to go by:

http://sse.com/media/275878/stronelairg-wind-farm-consented-layout.pdf

8.5km x 4km

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>”….the same power delivered from this $10 Billion allocated to these wind plants in their first year of operation is delivered by Bayswater in 137 days” ‘Bayswater Power Station’ Bayswater Power Station is a bituminous (black) coal-powered thermal power station with four 660 megawatts (890,000 hp) Tokyo Shibaura Electric (Japan) steam driven turbo alternators for a combined capacity of 2,640 megawatts Greenhouse emissions Carbon Monitoring for Action estimates this power station emits 19.80 million tonnes of greenhouse gases each year as a result of burning coal.[1]……….. In 2009, the power station was the subject of “the first ever legal action aimed at curbing greenhouse gas pollution from a coal-fired power station”. Environmental activist Pete Gray went to the Land and Environment Court of New South Wales, asking it to find that the power station had been “wilfully or negligently disposing of waste […] by emitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in a manner that has harmed or is likely to harm the environment in contravention of section 115(1) of the Protection of the Environment Operations Act 1997”, and sought an injunction against the station. The case, Gray and Anor v Macquarie Generation, was… Read more »

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Bayswater Power Station, NSW Australia Carbon Monitoring for Action estimates this power station emits 19.80 million tonnes of greenhouse gases each year as a result of burning coal. http://carma.org/plant/detail/3667 ‘Improved Plant Performance and Reduced CO2 Emission Through State-of-the-Art Condenser Cleaning and Air In-leakage Detection’ Conco Systems, Inc. Australia A significant amount of work has been done in Australia to quantify the effects of improved plant performance on reducing CO2 emissions. The following three sets of results demonstrate the plant performance improvements and CO2 reductions achieved through the application of Conco System’s technology at three major power plants. Bayswater Power Station, NSW Four x 660 mw Steam Turbogenerator/black coal fired boilers. Savings per annum/Turbogenerator unit. • 5% improvement in condenser back-pressure • 0.15% improvement in unit thermal efficiency • $500,000/operational (fuel) savings • 26,000 tonnes greenhouse gas (CO2) reduction Bayswater Power Station is considered the most efficient Power Generator in Australia Kwinana Power Station, WA Five x 200 mw Steam Turbo Generator/natural gas fired boilers Savings per annum/Turbo Generator unit. • 1.5 kpa improvements in vacuum obtained (back pressure reduced) • 8% gain in heat transfer coefficient • $278,000 operational (fuel savings) • 13,329… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

‘Germany’s “energy transformation:” unsustainable subsidies and an unstable system’

Is avoiding shame worth the high cost of renewable energy?

– See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2014/12/16/germanys-energy-transformation-unsustainable-subsidies-and-an-unstable-system/#sthash.46XAHZKx.dpuf

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

‘All megawatts are not equal’

Fitting Wind and Solar in with Traditional Generation Planning

http://judithcurry.com/2014/12/11/all-megawatts-are-not-equal/

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Ian Forrester December 18, 2014 at 5:13 am [Hot Topic comments policy update]

andyS moans:

“Etc, without a shred of evidence to back up your claims.”

That is another lie.I provided lots of evidence for your lies. If you simply ignore them and pretend that they do not exist that is just more of your dishonesty.

Get lost! You have the morals of a rabid skunk and a personality to match.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/is-earths-temperature-about-to-soar-no-pause-no-hiatus-only-warming/#comment-45780

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News to me that rabid skunks have morals.

Mind you, I didn’t know skunks got rabies either.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

The implication being that healthy skunks have no morals.

That’s how I’ve always understood the animal kingdom anyway.

Andy
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Andy

Good stuff eh? But the worst gets snipped, thankfully.

Andy
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Andy

I think it was Rutherford who said something along the lines:

If your experiment needs statistics in order to understand it, you need to do another experiment

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Don’t bother RT. Andy has an arsenal of contra-arguments to Cahill/Rahmstorf/Foster and the Hot Topicers (their linear approach is spurious), the starting point of which he has already presented but was dismissed out of hand. They can’t respond in kind, they respond from the gutter, or irrelevant SkS memes.

Thing is, the question is not “Is earth’s temperature about to soar?” but, is the earth’s temperature ever going to reach the predicted levels? i.e. quibbling over statistical significance of the observations is pointless when the model-observations discrepancy is at the widest margin it has ever been.

I sent this to Andy:

CTG’s argument avoids the real issue – model-data difference.

Model mean 0.33 C/Decade out to 2050.
GISTemp 0.064 +-0.127 C/Decade 1998-2014

“Unprecedented” Model Discrepancy – McIntyre
http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/11/unprecedented-model-discrepancy/

MODEL-DATA DIFFERENCE – Tisdale
comment image?w=720

The model-data difference is the only anomaly worth watching now. Same
for SLR.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>”Same for SLR”

The 2 C limit is the big, and expensive, UN issue but SLR is what preoccupies local and national authorities – not atmospheric temperature.

Andy
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Andy

“The morals of a rabid skunk” is definitely a keeper, though ..

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Given you have a personality to match Andy (apparently), I’m wondering what personality traits a rabid skunk might exhibit e.g.

Primary Personality Traits

Positive Traits (234 = 37%)
Accessible
Active
Adaptable
Admirable
Adventurous
Agreeable
Alert
Allocentric
Amiable
Anticipative
[1 – 10 of 234]

Neutral Traits (292 = 18%)
Abrasive
Abrupt
Agonizing
Aimless
Airy
Aloof
Amoral
Angry
Anxious
Apathetic
[1 – 10 of 292]

http://ideonomy.mit.edu/essays/traits.html

Note that “Amoral” is a negative trait. This implies to me that a rabid skunk with morals (as per Forrester) exhibits a positive personality trait.

Sure enough:

morality
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct
2. A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct
3. Virtuous conduct
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/morality

I don’t think this makes you a bad person Andy.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Perhaps Forrester meant – the morals of an immoral rabid skunk.

immoral
not conforming to accepted standards of morality.

That’s assuming rabid skunks do actually have morals of course.

Andy
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Andy

One of the symptoms of rabies is foaming at the mouth

Quite appropriate really, given the context.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

Turns out skunks do contract rabies:

‘Rabid skunk reported in North Hall’ – September 12th 2012

GAINESVILLE – The number of confirmed rabies cases in Hall County has hit 18 following recent contact between a skunk and a dog in the Sardis Drive area of North Hall. Officials with Hall County Animal Control said the skunk was shipped to the Georgia Public Health Lab in Decatur where it tested positive for the disease. They said positive alert signs will be posted in the area where the skunk was located.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=252847

No report as to whether they tested for morals, immorality, or amorality.

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

>”rabies……following recent contact between a skunk and a dog”

Let this be a lesson to you Andy – the moral if you will.

Andy
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Andy

“Furious rabies
Furious rabies is characterised by episodes of increasingly odd and hyperactive behaviour, separated by periods of relative calm. During these episodes a person may have some or all of the following signs and symptoms:
aggressive behaviour, such as thrashing out or biting
agitation
hallucinations – seeing or hearing things that are not real
delusions – believing things that are obviously untrue
excessive production of saliva
high temperature (fever)
excessive sweating
the hair on their skin stands up
a sustained erection (in men)

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Rabies/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

So it’s not all bad, then

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

No, not all bad.

>”delusions – believing things that are obviously untrue”

Suspect John Kerry might be afflicted:

‘Kerry’s COP20 speech was packed with misinformation’

Kerry at Climate Change Meeting in Peru: transcript 11 December 2014

“Measured against the array of global threats that we face today – and there are many – terrorism, extremism, epidemics, poverty, nuclear proliferation – all challenges that know no borders – climate change absolutely ranks up there equal with all of them.”

http://tomnelson.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/kerrys-cop20-speech-was-packed-with.html#links

Andy
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Andy

On-topic this time, some drone footage and other photos show the extent of the damage done by Greenpeace
http://io9.com/drone-footage-shows-extent-of-greenpeaces-damage-to-per-1671729403

Richard C (NZ)
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Richard C (NZ)

‘John Kerry warns of ‘moral failure’ at climate conference’

US secretary of state urges ambitious deal in powerful speech to UN delegates in Lima

Thu, Dec 11, 2014

If an ambitious agreement is not reached urgently to tackle the grave threat posed by climate change, it would be seen by future generations as a “massive collective moral failure”, according to US secretary of state John Kerry.

In a powerful and impassioned speech at the UN’s Lima climate conference, he said every nation had a responsibility to take action. “We can rise above the debates that have dragged us down … for the sake of our children and our grandchildren”.

With Peruvian fighter jets screeching over the conference venue and former US vice-president Al Gore sitting in the front row, Mr Kerry conceded that there was “no silver bullet”, but said “science is screaming at us, compelling us to act”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/john-kerry-warns-of-moral-failure-at-climate-conference-1.2034958

Nothing forthcoming so “massive collective moral failure” it is then.

And the science can stop screaming. Odd, because Ban Ki-moon said the science had only “spoken”.

Andy
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Haven’t heard any more from Mr Forrester. I think the men in white coats have sedated him.

I never realised that the IPCC Summary for Policymakers is a political document and shouldn’t be used (according to IF).

Who’d have thought?

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IF staunchly discounts MDV, instead points, via chapter 2, to the 1951 or 1986 start points (1850 outside the IPCC attribution period). Never mind that only 2 of those 6 decades (20 years, 1980s and 90s) in the “long-term” trend starting 1951 exhibited any warming on average as shown in the SPM Figure 1. Or, conversely, 4 of the 6 decades were in pause mode. BTW, good of Rob Taylor to highlight my critical element in bold: “The model-data difference is the only anomaly worth watching now. Same for SLR.” Rob Taylor December 19, 2014 at 2:34 am http://hot-topic.co.nz/is-earths-temperature-about-to-soar-no-pause-no-hiatus-only-warming/#comment-45821 Links back to CCG, which in turn links to McIntyre (in turn to Curry) and Tisdale. While you are at it Rob, you might get your head around this (if you can): Rather than guess or pay for what was in Macro’s paywalled paper (nothing free in Scholar either), look up this earlier paper: ‘A Bayesian Change Point Model for Historical Time Series Analysis’ Western and Kleykamp (2004) http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/brucewestern/files/hists5.pdf Long paper but if you go straight to the Figures starting page 43 then the references in the text to each Figure that’s probably enough… Read more »

Richard C (NZ)
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Hot Topicers. If you have arrived here by following Rob Taylor’s link to CCG, go here:

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2014/12/eco-minimal-criminals/comment-page-1/#comment-1263061

Basically answers Bill:

bill December 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm

“I predict *crickets* from the Denialiati regulars on this one! ”

http://hot-topic.co.nz/is-earths-temperature-about-to-soar-no-pause-no-hiatus-only-warming/#comment-45821

Yes waste of time unless the Denialiati is a linear analyst. Spectral analysts (those in the climate sector) will be rolling their eyes and going on with what they’ve been doing (which is streets ahead of what Cahill, Rahmstorf, and Foster are doing), or just taking no notice of Real Climate whatsoever (more likely).

And what if a Denialiati is a spectral analyst?

Andy
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“Denialiati” sounds like a form of pasta dish

Andy
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Andy

Greg Laden calls for Greenpeace to be disbanded over this incident

http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/the-greenpeace-nazca-lines-selfiegate-and-greg-laden/

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IPCC Lead Author Sven Teske, as alertly observed by Shub Niggurath, was one of the leaders of the vandalism of the Nazca lines during the recent Lima conference.
Several years ago, I had criticized Teske in his role as IPCC Lead Author, a criticism also taken up by Mark Lynas.
Like the Nazca vandalism, Teske, a Greenpeace employee and activist, had promoted the Greenpeace scenario in the IPCC special report on renewables. Teske had been Lead Author of the chapter responsible for critical assessment of the feasibility of the Greenpeace renewables scenario – an assessment that was not carried out in the chapter or report, despite expectations of policy-makers and the public

http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/20/ipcc-lead-author-and-the-nazca-vandalism/

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